Nowhere does it say that need to write my usual recap for the Pistons 94-110 loss to the Sixers. If you’re like me the past 48 hours of the saga that is Detroit Pistons basketball is enough to make your head spin. There was Dumars trying to work the phones at the deadline for Rip, who didn’t want to play in Cleveland or take their buyout offer and go to a contender. The there was the Dallas offer to trade Tay and his expiring contract for a first round draft pick.
They less than 24 hours later you have mutiny on the court. Team statement or not Rip Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince, Ben Wallace, Chris Wilcox, Rodney Stuckey and Austin Day all “happened” to miss the pre-game shootaround before the Sixes game all citing different reasons.
The reasons are clear…the players don’t want to play for Kuester and they did something I didn’t think I would ever see, they staged their own protest.
Did it really have to come to this? Did they voice their feelings only to get nowhere? Is it truly that bad that they had to do this to a franchise that was already struggling to keep their heads above the water while trying to sell the team to an owner that wants them?
There were so many things going on on the floor that had less to do with basketball Friday night in Philadelphia.
I can’t side with anyone on this, because quite honestly I’m sick of it.
What I will do is commend the six Pistons who gave their all to be professional and do their job Friday night.
- Will Bynum played all 48 minutes leading his team with 29 points, 6 assists, 5 boards, a steal and a whole lot of heart.
Will Bynum: “It was a tough game, but I’m all right,“I’m a professional basketball player. I’m always ready to do whatever I have to do, play however many minutes I have to play. I didn’t play for two months. You think I was turning down 48 minutes? I ain’t crazy.” “I don’t have any thoughts on anything that’s going on. I just try to stay professional and positive throughout whatever’s going on. You know, because it’s still a business. It’s still my job to be a professional basketball player, so that’s what I’m trying to do.”
- Jason Maxiell who played more Friday night that it seems like all year.
- Greg Monroe added another double-double with 16 points and 11 boards.
- A tired Charlie Villuneva with 17 points, 2 steals and 5 boards.
- DaJuan Summer with his first career NBA start scored 10 points with an assist, a steal and 2 boards.
- And Ben Gordon who was 6-for-17 for 16 points.
- They were the heros, they put it all on the line.
- And with Kuester getting tossed in the second quarter after two quick technical fouls…what did this team do to add to the black eye already on the franchise. They laughed from the bench.
Video thanks to OutsideTheNBA
Is this the bottom or does it get worse?
This would be fun if they had a shot at the top 3 lottery picks but (I dont know why) they won enough games that they wont land anything good. And it would be cool if the next coach would be Laimbeer but of course he wont because JoeD is stupid.
They have to show Kuester the door. Joe should come on down and coach the mess he made.
Im with you on that…get to it Joe.
That’s a good idea. It might clear the air for everybody.
This is WAY OVERBLOWN!!!
of course there’s friction between players and the coach granted but as always people are jumping at the first reports that come out and keep cycling it as fact…
NEW NEWS FOLKS!!!
A quote from espn that started this “REVOLT” talk…
“As for the boycott, one source said some of the players did not show up for the shootaround because they were told the starting time had changed. Austin Daye was one of the players who didn’t show up on time because of the misunderstanding, the source said, but it wasn’t clear how many other absent players were also confused. “The team boycott idea is being overblown,” said the source. “It was more miscommunication than defiance.”
So please people instead of going on a Moron-A-Thon of post talking about information that’s not all out yet is CRAZY!!!
Players are clashing with the Coach yes…
But a REVOLT? (now it might be because of what coach Q did putting all these players out on front street this way when it could have been just a commuication problem. And over reaction by the coach that reports said he was going to be fired over the allstar break? May be? Hmmmm…)
GET MORE FACTS BEFORE YOU SAY CRAZY THINGS….
apologist
???
apologist???
I’m a apologist for making sure i have all the fact i need before i say something about a matter especially saying that these players have “REVOLTED” against a coach that’s going to be fired because he hasnt got the job done this season???
ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!!
It looks like Rip, Prince, and T-Mac must have gotten the wrong time again for the Utah game.
Rip has or did have hamstring pull or something else so…. i dont know what your talking about there…
Prince back was hurt a couple of games ago that’s why he didnt finish a game a while back..
And T-Mack is sick…so….
Again….
GET SOME FACT FIRST BEFORE YOU POST PLEASE.
And stop accusing people of things before you get all the facts
“Rip has or did have hamstring pull or something else so…. i dont know what your talking about there…
Prince back was hurt a couple of games ago that’s why he didnt finish a game a while back..
And T-Mack is sick”
You must be right… and I have a bridge to sell you…
This is so disappointing. Not only have these players quit on their coach, but they have ultimately quit on the fans. This is what upsets me most and the fact that Austin Daye was part of it, I mean seriously, he’s only in his second year. I do appreciate those 6 players even more now, even though CV and BG drive me crazy.
And I’m not surprised about T-mac, he’s a jerk. When my sister and I were at open practice this year, he was so rude when we asked him to take a picture. He said yes, but kept telling us to hurry up. Total douchbag!
“And I’m not surprised about T-mac, he’s a jerk”
when he was playing with the magic, i went to a pistons game down in orlando. he didnt get a call, so he kicked the ball into the balcony seats
some things dont change
You know I forgot to mention I am surprised and upset to see Austin Daye in this whole mess. Not good…would have thought it would have been Charlie V before Austin.
The thing that hurts me most, is the immaturity that all these guys showed. This is a professional organization corrupted by the mentality that the players rule. This is a job. You’re making millions of dollars as a profession. The least you can to to show any sort of respect and humility is to play the game and cut out all the nonsense because you and your “supervisor” aren’t getting along. I’ve hung tough for the coach this season, though I do question his motives, he stuck with his guns amidst all the adversity only to lose all reputation and respect with his players. He may fall short on the way he’s communicated, but if I were him I look at Tay and say, “ok, Tay. You complain we don’t play hard. You complain about our effort. You complain that things need to change yet all you do is complain to the media, or go off and pout in the corner. If you want to see change, be the “championship” leader you’re supposed to be and get on your team about their effort.” Our so called “captains” have done nothing but gripe. It’s your team, don’t let things slide and point fingers at the coach.
Great point about leadership.
Props to Bynum, Gordon, CV, DJ Summers, The Baby Eater, and Greg Monroe for not being a part of the “protest.” I can’t believe that the rest of the guys did this. It is very immature and unprofessional. Hopefully in the offseason they’ll make NBA contracts not guaranteed and then we will never have to see something like this again. If someone tries to do this in the NFL, they get fired.
What is going on with you people?? Are u really complaining about this? They are doing this because they have a strong reason to do it… no one is litening them and the calls that Q has made make me sick…
Im tired of him, hopefully they will fire q for the good of the pistons organization
Even if Q is ill-advised and incompetent as a coach. Were these actions appropriate?
not even close
I’ve always enjoyed watching the Pistons and reading the Need4Sheed blog. Tonight was truly disheartening for anyone following Detroit basketball. What a joke. To see young players like Austin Daye follow the unprofessional lead of Tracy McGrady, Ben Wallace, and others speaks to the travesty that is this season. It was great to see six Pistons play hard. Although I don’t know everything that happens within the organization, I do know I lost some respect for players of a team that formerly championed a gritty “Back 2 Work” attitude with stingy play on each end of the court. It seems as though character, not talent, is what is lacking on our favorite team and that’s unfortunate. Thanks for always keeping me updated through thick and thin Natalie. I hope the organization moves in a more positive direction from this point on, with or without the other “Pistons”.
Sure it can get worse.
This summer we lose Prince & T-Mac, resign Stuckey, nobody wans to come to Detroit and offcourse Joe D makes yet another legendary move with free agents and a new coach…
Hopefully these will be the new coaches: http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1007/pistons.1989.photos/images/mahorn-laimbeer.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1007/pistons.1989.photos/content.8.html&usg=__79Rq-wCYun-EdbzXpJWjyF_Jv7w=&h=700&w=465&sz=60&hl=en&start=0&sig2=qqUVvYaEW-pbmpJAYwY1xw&zoom=1&tbnid=AYfd_cor3LHL4M:&tbnh=135&tbnw=102&ei=sSBpTdatOsK88ga4yeycCw&prev=/images%3Fq%3DRick%2Bmahorn%2Band%2BBill%2BLambier%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1400%26bih%3D917%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=720&vpy=98&dur=324&hovh=276&hovw=183&tx=93&ty=163&oei=sSBpTdatOsK88ga4yeycCw&page=1&ndsp=38&ved=1t:429,r:3,s:0
You guys, Im sorry but NOT ALL 7 players can be wrong here!!!! I mean were sitting here talking trash about the 7 or so players that missed practice, and calling them unprofessional and shit..
But its Its like an argument say, if there are 8 people and then they take sides, and 7 of them say to the 8th person, your wrong for whatever your doing. Then my bets are 7 people are right and that the 8th person is analogous coach Q is wrong!
Q just needs to get fired simple!!!!!!! Hamilton has A LOT left in tank, you can ask Ray Allen who plays like Rip, in additiin whose shooting career high behind the arc, and I might add allen is 35, and you can also ask reggie miller, who played amazing till he retired at 38 years old.
7 sit vs 6 play + Kue, is about equal. I’m not saying Kue should keep his job, but I am saying the 7 who sat are certainly in the wrong and its grossly disappointing as a fan to see this on my squad, although some part of me is happy that something is happening. I can’t wait til the team is sold and the season is over….
yess, all 7 players are wrong.
the problem with the pistons has been this core of players that think they dont have to rrespect the coach, and it aint just Q. this has been an ongoing problem
and today, to send a message, they should bar every single one of them from team facilities, and buy up d-league contracts. dont cut them from the roster – keyshawn their disloyal asses.
They pull this shit, in this city, at this time? they have lost their fucking minds.
Q may not be a great coach, but he is getting a raw deal
fire everyone. Fire Joey D. Fire the owner. Fire the entire coaching staff. Fire Mason. Fire the ballboys. Set the Palace on fire. Fire the announcers. At the end of the year, cut all ties with every single person involved in this, including the players. Fire the concessionaires. Fire the dancers
Then bring Laimbeer back, bring Mahorn in as a “special advisor”.
bring in a tough d philosophy. lunchpail mentality. blue collar guys. People short on “me first”, long on heart. bring back DEEEE-TROIT BASKET-BALL
(okay, we bring back Mason. after living in Boston for the past few years…lord I appreciate him more now)
Seriously though, they might as well scrap many things about the team. What good are we watching?
these players have run 5 coaches out of town in 10 years. Oh they know how to get a coach fired. Do you really think a new coach will solve anything? These players are completely unmanageable. How long do you think Laimbeer will last? 1 year? 2 years?
I agree Hamilton is a great player. Let him go be a great player on another team.
there just needs to be idenity on this team. As much as I LOVE JOE D, he needs to go, and in his spot, I wouldn’t mind a Laimbeer or Rick Mahorn. I know a lot of people on here dont like Joe D, b/c of past draft picks, the ben gordon/charlie V contracts, held on our cores to long, etc. But the man brought us a title in his tenure, and has taken us to 6 consecutive ECF. Thats a great accomplishment guys!
The other idenity on this team is, in clutch time, they need to run the offense for ONE player and ONE player only. I would say that one player they should run the offense in clutch in the 4th quarter when all our games have been close is Rip Hamilton running out screens.
Right now, even in clutch time, we have different players taken shots, ben gordon, stucky, tmac, austin daye. You dont see that shit with other good teams, even if they have many offensive weapons.
OKC will go thru Durant in clutch time in the 4th, Lakers will go through either Gasol down in the low block OR Bryant, Bulls will run it through D-Rose, Orlando runs it thru Howard..
We just need ONE/TWO players to run that offense of off, not 6, 5, 4, or 3. AND once that idenity is set for Hamilton and somone else on that team, now only will they be seen as a leader on the team, but will see him as an all star again.
Our players right now, they try to share the WHOLE pie. The whole pie of minutes, the whole of splitting the shots, etc. You cant have that. Thats why we dont have a leader on this team, thats why we dont have an all star on this team.
TWO players on this team, need to play 40 minutes a game, and take 25 shots a game. Those TWO players will be the leader of the team!
Leaders should be defensive leaders, not leaders in shots
but im old school like that
“these players have run 5 coaches out of town in 10 years”
By my count the players have run 2 coaches out of town: Rick Carlisle and Flip Saunders.
Larry Brown was looking at other jobs while still coaching the Pistons… he left for a higher-paying job with the Knicks.
Michael Curry was fired for being a terrible coach.
Kuester has also been terrible. He hasn’t come up with a consistant rotation all year, Stuckey hasn’t gotten any better under his coaching, and the entire season has been a disaster. He yanks players like Daye in and out of the rotation so they never feel comfortable and can’t play up to their potential. He deserves to be fired.
From Wikipedia: “From 1985 to 1990 he was the head coach at George Washington University. His 1988-1989 Colonials team compiled a 1-27 record, one of the worst ever in NCAA history.”
That’s his only prior head-coaching experience.
Looks like its time to ship out all the veterans.
I think TMAC is the cancer in this team. To laugh at your coach getting ejected is not funny.
Maybe Michael Curry was smiling to on the sixers bench
HAHA that’s funny, I’m pretty sure he was if he ws over there, I mean I thought it was funny watching it on T.V. I mean come on anyone that didn’t find it humorous takes this sport WAY to seriously, it’s just a game…….and we are not even making the decisions on what is going on. Like Keuster said right before he got booted THAT’S BULLSHIT!!!!! LOL
Why Kuester should be fired PT 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhNEh6Hr6Y
Why Kuester should be fired PT 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3WFYAaev_Q
I feel sorry for Q.
Sure he’s not phil jackson but showed in some games that when the players execute he can be good.
the man didn’t have a chance to succeed here : an unbalanced roster full of MF
Flat out the players who sat were wrong! PERIOD!
Amazing. The one to blame the most here is Karen. The Pistons need to be sold. This will in turn lead to management changes, and even some rotation and roster changes that the selling owner and management can not do just before a sale. That’s how M&A is done. Regardless of the business you are in(outside of politics), you don’t make key changes to assets whilst in final parts of the sales process. Karen has made the mistake of having the Pistons on the market for too long. She should have stopped the sales process at the new year and committed to seeing the season out, allowing for some needed hands on changes. Yesterday the value of the pistons took a hit. Is Karen willing to take that hit? Is Gores willing to take on even more of a project to get going? (he might be! some quick wins for a willing buyer here. man i’m hoping for this).
Sharing destiny with a bad owner is hard and requires more out of the individual. In this situation you don’t rock the boat no matter how unhappy you are. Smile and get this thing sold – it doesn’t matter is you’re a player or coach or player.
The coach and these players should have sorted this out on the day. skip shootout and talk about it guys. You all have a common goal right now – selling the pistons!
Joe D needs to fix some things faster than I can see possible if Gores doesn’t sign today.
The guys could have been grown ups and sat down with Joe once back in the D and once things on the sale front settle. Then there would have been someone listening as well.
I don’t know what these guys pay their agents and managers, but they are not getting their money’s worth.
The real solution here is still a sale. Hope Karen and Tom can agree to a creative deal allowing Tom and his guys to step in and manage here. Give Karen a 3-6 year payout plan based on the palace/pistons performance.
Q is a terrible, terrible coach- no question. He should have gotten the boot months ago. Starting with Stuckey’s insurrection in the fall, you could see that Q was losing the respect of the team. Other teams have switched coaches on the fly this season and have had success after the change.
Having said that, how dare the the highly paid “professionals” stage a strike? A pro would just suck it up, play on and pray for this season to end. I can’t believe the kudos the 6 players who did play ( this isn’t to say that I don’t respect that they gave their all) are getting for simply doing their jobs. It makes the protesters look beyond pathetic. They won’t even do the minimum.
Joe needs to deal with this mess and take control, but I’m starting to wonder if perhaps his laissez faire attitude isn’t just wimpiness.
The NBA has turned into a league controlled by the players. When you’ve got guys taking their talents places on national TV without informing their team first, running hall of fame coaches into retirement and now staging obnoxious protests, it’s just gotten out of hand.
I’ll always love basketball and the Pistons, but I’m so sick of the BS! I want to watch the D league for a while. That sounds way more fun.
well said, pro basketball players should act like professionals
Good thing I didn’t watch the game, and read about it later on.
Kuester has lost the respect of the players months ago.
To be honest, I was glad to hear about the “mutiny” in Philly. The team needs an overhaul after this season is done.
I would keep Dumars (better than having Isiah here). But he needs to seriously re-evaluate things, and rebuild over the summer.
I would keep our promising young guys like Jonas, Monroe, Stuckey, and Daye. For vets: Bynum and Wallace, Prince if he can stay healthy. The rest I’d put on the trading block or let them sign with new teams.
Kuester needs to go, hopefully one of his assistants will be able to command the respect from the players for the remainder of the season.
I would bring in Laimbeer and Mahorn. If they can make women win in the WNBA, he could do the same here in the NBA.
C’mon! We can still make it to the playoffs!
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You know, the fans that vent on this site are what’s left of the few people that do attend or watch the games. Everyone else is gone. You know it when you see the empty seats at the Palace. We are the people that really care but how long can you care when the front office won’t step in and fix this mess. TV ratings are way down too. I really don’t feel the same about the players that sat out on this one. You do your job no matter what is the way I was brought up. I certainly would like to see some sort of petition started and sent to the front office. I don’t know where to start but fans need to be heard
I agree, I love this team but why should I take my hard earned money that I work for to attend games in support of my favorite team, when they make millions and act like spoiled children? What would happen if the remaining fans ‘boycotted’ the Pistons/Palace? Take a look in the stands, they’ve never been emptier!! Someone stop the bleeding and restore this team to Championship caliber immediately!!!!!
The Pistons have officially hit rock bottom. For all I’m concerned, those players can sit all they want. It’s not like we were winning a ton of games with them anyways. If I was a GM, there is no way in hell I’d want any of those players on my team. All they do is run coaches out. The truth of the matter is the coaching is subpar and the players performances and talent is subpar as well. This only means one thing, team overhaul….again.
I couldn’t imagine making millions of dollars to play basketball and/or sit the bench and you behave that way when you disagree with the coach. Try working a blue collar job and doing that junk. You’d have no job the next day.
there just needs to be idenity on this team. As much as I LOVE JOE D, he needs to go, and in his spot, I wouldn’t mind a Laimbeer or Rick Mahorn. I know a lot of people on here dont like Joe D, b/c of past draft picks, the ben gordon/charlie V contracts, held on our cores to long, etc. But the man brought us a title in his tenure, and has taken us to 6 consecutive ECF. Thats a great accomplishment guys!
The other idenity on this team is, in clutch time, they need to run the offense for ONE player and ONE player only. I would say that one player they should run the offense in clutch in the 4th quarter when all our games have been close is Rip Hamilton running out screens.
Right now, even in clutch time, we have different players taken shots, ben gordon, stucky, tmac, austin daye. You dont see that shit with other good teams, even if they have many offensive weapons.
OKC will go thru Durant in clutch time in the 4th, Lakers will go through either Gasol down in the low block OR Bryant, Bulls will run it through D-Rose, Orlando runs it thru Howard..
We just need ONE/TWO players to run that offense of off, not 6, 5, 4, or 3. AND once that idenity is set for Hamilton and somone else on that team, now only will they be seen as a leader on the team, but will see him as an all star again.
Our players right now, they try to share the WHOLE pie. The whole pie of minutes, the whole of splitting the shots, etc. You cant have that. Thats why we dont have a leader on this team, thats why we dont have an all star on this team.
TWO players on this team, need to play 40 minutes a game, and take 25 shots a game. Those TWO players will be the leader of the team!
My take – Dumars actually did the right thing on the trade deadline. He had what was probably the only deal for Rip available, and Rip scuttled it. Then he turned down a free draft pick, which implies guaranteed money to a late first-rounder in a weak draft when the ‘Stones already have a high second rounder that doesn’t require guaranteed money.
On another note, I kinda think given the uprising though that even Dumars might get flushed with the new ownership, even if he doesn’t deserve it (whether he deserves it is open for debate, of course). I mean, if the GM can’t mediate between the coaches and the players, then who can?
In sum: The lockout can’t come soon enough!!!!
People.. Pistons suck this season for 3 reasons..
1) coach Kuester is a disgrace.. plain and simple from day one this season. We draft Greg Monroe and leave him on the bench .. if you are true Pistons fans you will remember the season opener against the Nets.. this idiot coach leaves wallace in the game to be fouled so he can keep missing free throws and blow the game. I encourage all pistons fans to boo coach q everytime they introduce him at the palace
2) Joe Dumars lucked out when he got rasheed and billups to come to detroit. Chauncey is a proven winner. First Darko then trading billups and finally spending all the cash on ben gordon and CV
3.) BEN GORDON HAS DONE NOTHING IN DETROIT every shot he takes i cringe. Gordon’s ass should be on the bench not RIP. RIP has the ring and career wise better numbers. I know that there still are idiot GM’s out there who put some value on gordon i dont know why we didnt trade him for say OJ MAYO??? even Gerald Wallace.. ?
team rip all the way.. mr piggyster needs to be fired
NICE.. I AGREE TOTALLY.
actually bens numbers are better then rips check your info
oh great so the revolt in middle east reaches the pistons too huh?! what the hell! ive played this game all my life and ive learned the most important thing from it and thats Respect man RESPECT! Keuster is not a good coach ok fine but that doesnt give u the right to do such thing! u need to respect ur coach and ur fans and the game! u got a problem go talk to the manager or something. not showing up is just ridiculous! and laughing at keuster when he gets ejected?! SERIOUSLY?! i wholheartedly agree with the idea that keuster is not a good coach but this game was just sad…it was what a bunch of cowards and non professionals wouldve done! and its really sad to see the pistons degrading this much…
no wonder we suck this year…we only have 6 real professional players on our roster!
i would like to salute the only real men on our team
u guys are all RIDICULOUS, the team did not have a mutiny, wallaces brother died, a couple of the players heard the shootaround time was moved (wilcox overslept austin and stuckey missed the team bus) tay has been out for his back and tmac has the flu. take it for what it is and dont read into anything. enough said move on.
with that being said how about stuckey at the point? told you he should be there and not tmac. 28 points 8 assts and 5 reb. those are pretty damn good numbers. we played well without tmac prince wallace and rip. there too old. we need to play dajuan more he does have the skills but he needs the minutes, sorry jmax but you are out too, give dajaun your numbers. i like the starting lineup and the backups that came off the bench. played with energy and all that . im still excited about the games im going to, im a fan i root for whoever is out there. we will get it together one of these years then ill enjoy it that much more.
its sad, just sad and very very pathetic. i cant believe dumars let it go this far…its basically unfixable at this point