The second part of the Ben Wallace video that takes us from Rick Carlisle, to Larry Brown to Flip and then Skiles. The beginning of his run in Detroit with the Defense player of the year awards, the birth of Wallace X2 and the somewhat bitter departure.
Looking back like this, along with his play this season, really shows us what place this man has in the city of Detroit.
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Video Courtesy of The Detroit Pistons and FSD
wow. one more year ben!
fav. all time piston!
This man right here, and i quote how mark jackson would say, “that is a grown man move right there young fella.”
You know I can’t say it enough, Larry Brown is one of the best coaches in NBA History.
I would do anything to see him back in Detroit back with Ben wallace one more year.
Eternal Love for Big Ben.
#3 or #6 bust be retired in his Honor when he stops playing.
It seems like the Pistons always get the best out of Big Ben, and are paying practically nothing for it. Letting him walk in free agency was probably one of the top 3 moves Joe has made as GM, it was tough, but clearly the right move…. replacing him with Nazr is another story. Since he’s come back (at the vet’s minimum), I think he’s been the best player on the team; without him, I honestly believe the Pistons would have been as bad as the Nets… they probably would have had a historically bad defense statistically.
big ben came out on top against all odds its the american dream. too short, cant shot, dont do this dont do that he still went hard and thats why he is gonna be a hall of famer. im glad larry told him to shot when he felt like it casue obviously he deserves it as hard as he plays d. if he wants to retire ill be the first to thank him hopefully we hire him as a defensive coach. teach cv and bg how to play atleast decent d.
I don’t think Ben will be in the hall of fame. It doesn’t always come down to accomplishment; the media has to vote you in. Perception is that he was perfect in the Pistons system, and wouldn’t have the same player anywhere else. The lack of offense and awful ft shooting don’t help either. But generally, you have to be a marquee player in the league, have post season success and be one of the top 3 players at your position for about 5 years, winning an MVP usually gets you in… that’s a pretty good guideline. I think when it comes down to it, he’ll be against other players of the era that the media likes more.
These are the only current hall of fame locks: Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, LeBron, Wade, Pierce, Allen, Kidd, Nowitzki, Garnett, Iverson.
Ben just isn’t on that level, even with his ring and hardware, but those are the type of players he’s going to have to get voted in over…. I just don’t see it. Of all the recent Pistons, Billups has the best shot, but he still has work to do.
I’m sure I’ll get about 10 posts from Piston-centric fans telling me I’m wrong, so let it rip……
Nash will get in too, I forgot about him
can somebody please post it on youtube in good quality or make it downloadable please please please.
lebron? last i checked he hasnt won anytjing other then 1 mvp award. i would let big ben in before lebron at this point he has a ring four defensive player of the year awards and noone other then the spurs have had a better postseason run then the pistons. lebron a lock? thats funny! (as of now) i think he will get in but right now he is not a lock. and as of now i think wade is pushing it as a lock also. but like you said its a media thing so wade and lebron will make it. GO PISTONS GO LIONS
LeBron is about to win back to back MVPs, he’s the face of the league, won ROY, scoring champ, 5 time all-nba, all-defensive team, 8 time all-star (MVP twice), been to the finals and he has set all kinds of records and milestones, he has signature playoff moments. That is already a HOF resume even without the ring, if he never played another game after this season he has secured his place among the all time greats…. and don’t give me the “he doesn’t have a ring” crap, lots of history’s best players don’t have them…. Pete Maravich, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Elgin Baylor, Charles Barkley, Patrick Ewing, George Gervin, Bernard King, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkins, Artis Gilmore, ect.
And if winning a ring meant so much then Robert Horry, Steve Kerr and Ron Harper would all be in, because they all have 5 each.
But again, how you get in is by being measured against the players of your era, and LeBron will forever be remembered as one of the best (if not the best) player of his generation. Ben on the other hand, the more time passes his numbers will look less and less impressive, he wasn’t dominate for long enough and his collegiate career adds nothing. With only a certain number of people getting in each year (which also includes coaches and contributors), I think he’s gonna be left out. Honestly, I think Dikembe Mutombo has a much better shot at in then Ben and he doesn’t have a ring either.
Just look at this last class, the players who got in: Michael Jordan, Karl Malone and David Robinson.
Guys who didn’t get in: Dennis Johnson (3 rings, finals MVP), Chris Mullin, Don Nelson (5 rings), Al Attles (ABA ring), Bernard King.
Does Ben really belong amongst that first group?
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jesse you have a good point i think after some time when rodman finally gets his dues ppl will look things over and give ben his. i think the majority of players fit in the right system stockton and malone obviously fit a certain type of system. that should not affect their votes it should come down to the person. look at bill walton he won some rings and didnt play much but what he did when he played was amazing.
Jesse is a fag, 4 time defensive player of the year gets u in!!! Especially in 2days day and age were the media tries 2 build the youths confidence by claiming hard work, and 100% effort makes u great not raw talent, and Dennis Rodman will make the hall of fame 2.
ben wallace train yourself in shooting in free throw line so that you perfect you all freethrow
Ben Wallace not in the hall of fame? Then it’s not worth being in. Four time all star. Four time defensive player of the year. World Champion (and true MVP of that title). He also is among the leaders in all time combined blocks and rebounds. There are things he does that can not be measured – intangibles. To hell with the hall of fame if Ben Wallace can’t get in.
Was Joe D a better player?
Isiah Thomas – greatest Piston ever. Ben Wallace right there with him and my favorite hands down. Heart of a champ.
I think you all have a gross miscalculation of what the hall of fame actually is.
I’m gonna make this really easy for you guys…. Here is the big man competition Ben has to beat out to get in: Webber, Mutombo, Bosh, Yao, Shaq, Mourning, Garnett, Duncan, Nowitzki, Gasol, D Howard, Sheed, Brand, Boozer, J O’neal… Now if you can remove yourself from being a Pistons fans for a minute please…. Can you honestly say Ben is in the top 3 or 4 of that list? If not, then he’s not getting in. It’s really that simple.
Damn, I really want to see the rest of this interview. Love Big Ben, always will. Any downloadable versions???? I really want a copy of this.
Jesse – how do you arrive at this conclusion? Are we factoring defensive stats? Are we factoring rings, all star appearances? Are we factoring in intangibles? How are you privy to the hall of fame formula? Man you are like Biff in Back to the Future 2 – you should take that omniscience and make a few bets – you could make a trillion and take over the world. Watch out for Marty though homey – or you might just end up waxin cars for George McFly.
I have arrived at this conclusion because that it the way it is. What else can I say? Just take 5 minutes and look at the hall of fame. You will see that only the best of the best of the best get in. This is no knock on Ben, but he just won’t make the cut. Every year only a few players get in, and every year more become eligible. When you stack up Ben’s career numbers….
6.2 point, 10.3 rebounds, 2.1 blocks, 1.3 assists, 1.3 steals, 47% fg, 42% ft… He looks like a role player.
That is not going to measure up well to KG, Shaq, Dirk, Duncan and the other elite bigs of Ben’s era.
As I stated before, his collegiate career adds nothing. He only played at a high level for about 7 years, he isn’t as box office as the other guys, and he was a member of probably the worst USA basketball team ever.
Seriously, just look at NBA players who have gotten in the hall in the 10 years. Its only like 3 a year and they are almost all undebatable legends in the sport: Stockton, Jordan, Barkley, Dantley, Olajuwon, Ewing, Robinson, Wilkins, Dumars, Worthy, Parrish, Moses Malone, Magic, Dražen Petrović, McAdoo, Isiah and McHale.
Not a very big list, is it? Almost everyone on this list ( minus Dražen Petrović who is a special case)was a dominate player in the league for at least a decade; and they all have a much, much stronger argument to be there then Ben does.
This is the last argument I’ll make: the late 70’s Supersonics (R.I.P.) went to back-to-back finals, winning one. They are the only other squad in history to win the title without a “super star”. They had a hall of fame coach in Lenny Wilkins, a lead guard in Dennis Johnson who won finals MVP (he also won 2 other rings, 2 all-nba teams, 9 all-defensive teams, 5 all star games), and defensive/rebounding specialist big man in Jack Sikma. Do you know what else they have? Exactly zero hall of famers on their roster; do you know why? Because they weren’t hall of fame caliber players, they all fell into the perfect storm and the chemistry was right. Any of this sounding familiar?
If any of you would take a minute to look at the hall of fame voting process, you would see that I’m right. Just because you have warm fuzzy memories of Ben Wallace doesn’t mean that the voters will place in the select circle of all-time greats, because he has an awful lot working against him.
I looked up Joe D’s stats. Looks like a “role” player to me – certainly nothing special statistically. There is more to this thing than numbers. Who would not take Ben in his prime over “Dirk” – really? You can’t measure the impact Ben had – especially in the championship season. He was the defense. Regardless – it’s not about fuzzy memories. It’s about kicking ass and taking names – that is the business of one Big Ben Wallace, the big red 3, from Virginia Union University. Child please.