Bennie and Jeff give us their take on The Pistons disappointing loss to The Celtics at home in Game Three of The Eastern Conference Finals.
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Team Need4Sheed Podcast – Pistons vs Celtics Game Three of The Eastern Conference Finals
To Boo or not to Boo – VOTE
I don’t want to sway your vote, but I was ashamed that the fans actually booed The Pistons. I could go on, but I did that enough already.
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Anyone who’s never had a job doesn’t have the right to boo men at work. Anyone who has had a job knows very well that when you perform poorly at work, the last thing you need is people to berade you and insult our efforts. The Pistons shot poorly last night, but I don’t think there was a sincere lack of effort. I don’t agree with kicking a team when they’re down.
Detroit shot 1-13. If they would have even made 25% of their threes it would have been a 4 point loss (barring the direction the rebounds went etc.) The point is, that they just plain shot badly.
Missing open 3 pointers has nothing to do with how hard you’re trying. It’s just kind of a freak thing that happens. And it happened across the board: Tay 0-1, ‘Sheed 0-3, Rip 0-2, Chauncey 1-4, Stuckey 0-2, Hunter 0-1. Those are ugly numbers, but they aren’t going to happen all the time. Let’s give them a break.
Im a proud pistons fan, im also 15 years old. I have been watching the pistons for as long as i remember. Since ive had the notion we were going to meet up with boston in the conference finals in the beginning of the season, i started saving up. I went to the game last night, with my grandparents, and i paid for each and every ticket. I felt demoralized after the first 5 minutes down fifteen. I kept telling myself they would pull away, that rasheed would had a signature turn around jumper, or that billups would come alive. Nothing happened. As my grandfather cannot see very well, i had to tell him what was going on every so often. Everytime i told him the news he got quieter. After seeing drunken boston fans pick fights with ours, i was pretty pissed. I then realized, its just a game, and we need to just stick by them when they have one of those signature down nights. Instead of booing, we should have cheered even louder. No team, especially the pistons deserve to have their own fans boo them, especially like last night.
Now that is a fan, sorry about the bad night Andrew but you sincerely are the kind of fan I was talking about. You saved your money, went to the game and still stood by your team.
Hats off to you.
richie, even Lindsey Hunter stated it was the defense that ultimately did them in although missing shots sire didn’t help. But the question is why did they miss those shots that are wide open? Is it complacency, were they not into the game, or whatever it might be.
I wanna say I did vote for the “they deserved it” one, but on the other hand I would also like to say, just because someone deserves it, doesn’t necessarily mean that it should of happened.
And on the third hand, I think it might bring some humility to a team that has heard nothing but how great they are for the past few years, especially all the starters. Sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
But on the fourth hand I agree with andrew, cheering harder might have been more effective than booing. I like what Jeff Van Gundy said during the broadcast. That when the team is struggling, everyone should just get up and start giving them a standing ovation.
But on the fifth and final hand. These Pistons have been a better road team than home team maybe they don’t even let either team in their heads, and maybe it wouldn’t of mattered how hard the crowd cheered.
But on the foot side this may ultimately do more damage than good, as it may hurt the player-fan relationship, especially after Rip called us the best fans in the world. Not to mention all the fans calling us classless and what not.
The only way to end this is for the Pistons to come out and dominate the Celtics for 3 out of the next 4 games
san antonio just beat la with 30 POINTS from Manu Ginobili. And he has a bad ankle, hope Chauncey was watching and took some notes. I mean Manu was doing it all.
Let’s not forget that the Lions and (past) Tigers were notorious for getting booed by Detroit fans. Personally, I don’t see how boo’ing your home team puts a spark in them to play better, however I can understand fan’s frustrations. To put it simple, many fans seemed to be angered by Detroit’s lack of enthusiasm (again) and wanted to let them know by boo’ing them. Again, I’d never be one to boo a home team, however, many fans in that crowd paid a lot of money to see Detroit play. When they come out with no effort, it pisses you off. Give us some effort is all we ask.
One more thing…Flip’s rotations have been questionable this series.
-Nate
Amer-ican, Lindsey was absolutely right, and I’m not saying that the defense was good. However, it’s been brought up a few times in these playoffs that great offence beats great defense. Unfortunately that’s true. Ex. A shot can be very well contested, and still go in. My point here is that some of the poor defense was a result of Boston, not all self inflicted.
My original point was that the odds of detroit shooting that poorly again are low and we should not be that scared about it.
In responce to why they missed open shots: Are you serious? “Complacency” or “not being into the game” are rediculous reasons. Anyone who’s ever played a pickup game of basketball knows that shooting is NEVER automatic. Sometimes shots are dropping and sometimes they aren’t. In game 3 nobody’s long line shots were falling and that’s all there is to it. It’s not like they could try harder on their shots, or focus harder as the ball left their hands. It just happens. Let’s get over it.
I am shocked that this poll sides with the booing. Wow. I’m as upset as anybody about the loss. It was devastating, and I couldn’t get over it and even pretend to enjoy the rest of my night. But I would never boo any team I wanted to win. Especially my team. Especially the Pistons. I’ve heard it in other arenas, and I didn’t understand it then. I don’t get you people. Why do you even watch sports?
I am shocked that the people in this poll sided with the booing. I was as devastated as anyone else after this game. I couldn’t even pretend to enjoy the rest of the night, and I still felt ill the next day. But I would never boo any team I wanted to win. Especially my team. Especially the Pistons. I’ve heard other arenas boo their team, and I’ve never understood it. I don’t get you people. Why do you even watch sports? I mean, what is the point?
By the way Andrew- you have the right idea. You’re the kind of fan that other fans should aspire to be like.
I didn’t think the booing poll would be even, let alone slightly favoring booing our Pistons!
Even if our team “has it coming”, it’s cheap, ignorant, and trifling to stoop to booing them. Whatever kind of fan you are, even if you aren’t that invested, that’s all the LESS reason to boo. You’re at the palace watching an amazing team have a bad game in the ECF and you resort to crybaby (boo-hoo) antics over the fact that you can’t leave and say you were at a winning game? Did your fairy godmother promise that when you bought playoff tickets your team would win every game you had tickets for? Then boo her instead.
Sure it’s the NBA. Sure David Stern and a long list of people after that are making money off your ticket. What does that have to do with the price of gas? When you stand up and boo at the game, you’re not booing the NBA, or David Stern, or the price of gas, you’re booing real people. You are booing Sheed. You are booing Dyess. You are booing Stuckey. They may be fucking up royally. They don’t need us to tell them they are fucking up. I’m not worried about the players’ feelings. I’m worried about how small-minded the fans are.
We can’t chant “defense” instead? Or a player’s name who you want to see more from? Chant a number of a jersey, for God’s sake.
I’m sorry, but the only time I think booing is okay is at the refs, when the call is lousy.
The series will be 2-2 by the end of tonight. I guarantee it.
I was upset with the game 3 loss, but I agree with claire. I think this will be 2-2 going back to Boston. The Pistons are too good to drop another one at home and I don’t think the Celtics will play with as much urgency tonight knowing they have home court back. Just think of it this way. In a perfect world this series could still only go six games. Here’s to hopping they crush the Celtics tonight. Go Pistons.
IF YOU BOO, you should be escorted out of the Palace… it is downright laughable that you Piston fans feel the right to boo this team after everything they have done… Have you forgot what it is like having shitty ass teams? Go boo the LOLns, but this Piston team NEVER deserves to get booed!
I was embarrassed to be at the game, sitting next to people in the Boston media when you idiots starting booing. Screw your damn heads on!!
Guys look, I voted for both and i will tell you why. First of all, i voted they shouldnt because the Pistons dont deserve to be booed and i mean i was at the game on saturday and i have to admit first hand that i did boo and i would love to take it back. Second, why shouldnt we boo if my team isnt coming out with effort. I agree with benni 100 percent but i also think they didnt deserve it that much. Tell me what you think guys. Arent i right?
I usually wear Sheed’s jersey on game night but tonight I think if you’re going to the Palace or not we all should wear Chauncey’s jersey to support our boys. Why Chauncey’s jersey you ask? Because he is the captain of team also his number is 1 and we need to unite as 1 and stand behind them.
For all those you who went to game 3 at the Palace and were booing the Pistons but pardon my language here you are a fucking ass. How can you call yourself fans? We stand behind them no matter what because there are times in our lives that we have had bad days but do our love ones don’t abandon us in our time of need? NO, we don’t do that to family. I was frustrated also but I was at the Palace I would have chanted “Detroit-Basketball or Defense” GO PISTONS!!!
My problem with that is that if u see homefans like the Celtics or the Spurs they wouldnt even think of Booeing cause there players come out and play hard from the beginning till the end no matter what and at times we dont see that from our Pistons!
If u look at KG or Paul Pierce body language u can see the difference to Sheed or Chauncey they are pumped up and excited to play in the finals against the Pistons and thats the way u have to go into those games!
Now i dont know how much the injury is bothering Chauncey but i hope he can bring his a game tonight cause we gone need it and one thing is clear after that disappointing loose in game 3 tonight the homecroud got to give it all to stay behind Sheed and Dyess and Rip and B-B-Billups and Tay (and that kid Stuckey who is playin unbelievable) from the tip-off till the end cause we hae to win this game!!!
Go Pistons
Akhalil101,
I dont think you were right. If they are not coming out with effort you stand on your feet and cheer for them and try to get them pumped back into the game. I was one of the many who feels like that was seriously a disgrace. I was so disappointed in PISTON “fans.”
The way I see it,
IF I were a Detroit player and I heard my (home-court) fans booing me/us, in the FIRST QUARTER or so.
I would feel/be embarrassed (not become more motivated to play harder), especially IF the Boston player I was guarding began to taunting (smirkin’/laughin’ at me)… and even when I did step my defense and offense up (played harded), to get the person I was guarding to shut up…
he would probably continue to talk sh*t to me, cuz the crowd continued booing my other teammates, for playing badly (and I can’t tell him nothin’ after that)….
all of this can take me out of my game – for the next FEW QUARTERS.
My point is (imo), IF we all agree the cheering gives players a boost of extra energy/confidence (then what do you expect to happen when you do the opposite), its bad enough they have to hear and/or see all about this booing crap, via media the after (when they should be worring about getting a WIN at home)
Anyways, booing your home-team is not a good look, period.
Think about it.
~RJ
I agree with Jess.
It’s not too hard to figure out, people. There will be a winner, and there will be a loser, to every game! Duh! The winner is probably the team that looks more into it! That doesn’t mean that the “losing” team isn’t into it–you are just comparing them to the other team, who happens to be winning. Sometimes teams trade baskets the whole game, and yeah that’s exciting and very fun.
But if you want the teams to look equal in effort every minute of every game of a playoff series, you belong at the movies, not at the Palace.
How can you compare Celtic fans to Detroit fans and say that Celtics fans don’t boo because they don’t have a reason to? Hello? Two words: Ray Allen. Or go check the shooting stats of KG in game 2. There’s another “reason to boo”.
Come to think of it, why haven’t the Celtics fans booed every minute of every game in the post season–that’s something they should do to really let Ray Allen know he’s in a shooting slump. What if he never realizes that he’s disappointing his fans?
there is nothing more disrespectful to an audience than an actor who spends the first fifteen minutes of a paid performance warming up on stage.
and the last thing i’d do for that performer is applaud them and try to get them “pumped up.”
i don’t owe them anything, they don’t owe me anything. i’m not going to blow sunshine up their asses in the hopes they’ll actually make an effort.
three games in a row the starters have stood by while the celtics took huge leads in the first six minutes. losing game one didn’t teach the pistons a lesson. maybe getting bood by their home crowd will get the point across.
@danafesto
I was talking about coming out and playin hard and with passion from the start till the end i wasnt talking about shooting slumps or stats so if Sheed dont hit his threes (and he is not hitting them) should i boo to let him know i dont “accept” that??
Thats not my point i would never boo a player cause his Jumper isnt fallin if this player gives all that he have and Ray Allen was playin good Defense till he had his break out game that we still won in game 2!!
Still i dont think it was right to boo them specially after Rip was talkin about the greatest fans in the NBA after game 2 and the Crowd should support their Team but i understand the frustration of many Fans cause u cant be down 24points at home in a playoff game!!
Go Pistons
krmagley–You make some good points but I have to say that actors and musicians who give a performance are only up against themselves. They are not in a “fight” vs. anyone. (I guess American Idol is an exception. But most of us don’t buy tickets to that.) I don’t think you can compare the two.
The players do warm up before the game. And excuse me if this is sacriligous, but if for three games in a row Boston has dominated the beginning of the game and we’ve been disoriented, or unable to counter-attack that, then wouldn’t you just have to say statistically that Boston is the better team when it comes to starting games?
I’m not saying they are all around better, or that they are going to win the series. But isn’t it possible they are simply better than us at starting games? Does that fact have to mean that the Pistons are half-assed and disrespectful? And they need the booing to get the point? I don’t think so.
So if your own family (Mom, Dad, Uncles, Aunts, Cousins and etc…) came out to show their support, and you had a bad game; how would you feel if they all started booing you? And if you would do so, then you must have been the type of person to boo your own children at an event; we they don’t meet your expectation, haha.
Not only that, Boston’s Ray Allen is well know throughtout the entire league, for having one of the best 3-point jump shots. And he was off (having bad games), during the 1st and 2nd rounds, and we never seen his fans booring him. Instead, his teamates and fans kept encouraging him to do better (throughout both those series – game-after-game), and look at him now, he finally came around.
But to each his or her own though. 1NE Luv
People pay a lot of money for those seats so it is their right to boo, it doesn’t bother me and it probably did not bother the pistons..they were horrible on saturday. Losing is one thing, but giving that type of performance is shameful. Lets go Pistons! You still have a chance. I will not be watching because I have an event to go to but dvr is working. I know they will put up a better effort tonight.
^ Yeah,
I must agree that they played horrible on Saturday. But they “probably” would’ve booed them anyways… even if all their seats were FREE.
And just because you have the “right” to do something – it doesn’t mean what you do is always “right” ya’ dig.
GO PISTONS!!!
It was interesting that even the TNT commentators were split on the whole ‘booing’ thing. Van Gundy said get up and cheer your team on, don’t boo them. Show them support. Mark Jackson on the other hand said they deserved to be booed with the type of effort they were giving on the floor. He went on to say that a coach will yell at his team when they’re playing with no effot, not cheer them on when they come into the huddle. Why should the fans not do the same?
I’m with Van Gundy on this one however, get your ass up and cheer on the team even when they are playing half dead out there. The fans may just be the spark needed to ignite a half dead team, and last night the Pistons did not get that spark.
-Nate
^ 4sho,
I heard the TNT commentators too, that night too. It’s just (personal) OPINIONS though. What I say about the booing situation, is just an opinion (isn’t a FACT). And the same goes for everyone else, lol.
Nothin’ more – Nothin’ less.
No Way IN HE Double HOCKEY STICK Would I BOO THE PISTONS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT WHO BESIDE THAT SPURS HAVE HAD MUCH Sucess the Last 5 YEars??? Look AT THE HEAT’S, GOOD FOR 2years and Out, CHICAGO BULLS SAME STORY BUT ARE DETROIT PISTONS HAVE BEEN TO PLAYOFFS 6times Stright, We was the number 1 Seed 2006,2007 and I believe 2005, DETROIT PISTONS ARE A GREAT TEAM, BACK TO BACK FINAL APPREANCES! I MEAN COME ON FANS ARE U ASKING FOR SOME ONE TO LEAVE ARE TEAM?? THE HUMAN, THEY ARE NOT KING JAMES WHO CAN DO ALL THAT CRAZY STUFF, IF YOU WANT THAT THEN DONT BE A PISTONS FAN!! 6times Confrence APPREANCE! SOMEBODY TELL ME HOW MANY Divion CHAMPIONSHIP DO WE HAVE? ALL STARS PLAYER, SHOOTING STAR AWARD COME ON MAN
WE NEED A FANS & WE NEED ARE PLAYERS AND THREW THICK AND THIN I WILL ALWAYS STAND BY MY DETROIT PISTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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