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For the first time since the 2000-2001 season, the Detroit Pistons will head into their season under new leadership as President of Basketball Operations Joe Dumars has stepped down after another disappointing season for the Pistons.

The Hall of Famer Dumars helped assemble the ever popular “Going to Work” Pistons team that made it to the NBA’s Eastern Conference Finals for six (6) straight seasons from 2003 – 2008.  Lauded for his ability to put together a ‘team’ that could play well enough together that they could overcome any odds against them in the form of single or double superstar teams, Dumars’ tenure has come to a crashing end from a beginning that lead him to winning the 2002 – 2003 Executive of the Year.  Years of “staying the course” on the championship Pistons teams caused the team to gradually age itself out of competitiveness and it’s mettle being tested after the departure of Ben Wallace to the Chicago Bulls, the disastrous trade of Chauncey Billups to the Nuggets for fading star Allen Iverson, the signings of Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, Richard Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince’s contract extensions, trade of Ben Gordon for a protected #1 pick and then use of Gordon/Hamilton and Prince cap space to sign PF Josh Smith and sign and trade for Brandon Jennings.

Dumars’ failing can easily be identified in player scouting (years of late 1st round picks that fell flat), and his poor use of cap space in an era when so many teams were dumping quality players in order to acquire/sign stars like LeBron James or Carmelo Anthony in a league that has slowly changed itself into a star driven league, moreso than a team oriented league.

Dumars will be best remembered for his drafting of Darko Milicic over future All Stars Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, and Carmelo Anthony after winning the right to pick #2 in the 2003 NBA Draft after acquiring the pick by trading Otis Thorpe to the Grizzlies for the First Round pick that by the time the 2003 Draft came around was only protected against being #1 overall.  Most NBA fanboys will fill up a comments section of any blog post about Joe Dumars with throwaway comments about how ‘Darko sucks!!11′ or ‘Doomers is the worst’, often forgetting that Milicic was part of the future after Ben Wallace or Rasheed were to re-sign and be too expensive to keep the championship team together.

In recent years Dumars and the front office has improved in the scouting of younger players as they’ve succeeded in drafting 2 quality frontcourt players in Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond.  Even though both players came highly rated out of High School and College, the naysayers still hammered Dumars for not taking guys who were more statistically inclined to make the transition from preps to pros.

Over time, the league has seemed to pass Dumars and most GMs by.  With the inclusion of statistical analysis along with game tape and other old school ways to gain on opinion on talent, Dumars fought it by saying ‘talent wins out’.  With new owner Tom Gores preaching “playoffs or bust” coming into the season, anything less than a strong showing in a weak Eastern Conference would spell doom for Dumars, and today the gauntlet has been laid down.

Dumars will remain with the team as an advisor, and Assistant General Manager George David and Director of Basketball Operations Ken Catanella step in to lead the Front Office through the NBA Draft and free agency period.  Exciting times are ahead for the Pistons, for sure.

Detroit Bad BoysOver the past 2 decades, the NBA has slightly modified their rules from year to year to all but remove any type of physical play from the game.  In these 2 decades we have seen the league go from teams that are playoff contenders due to limited player movement, to more recently “superstars” ganging up on teams to create “super teams”.  All of these changes were made in large part because of the league wanting to lift its superstars up, to get the fans more interested in purchasing player apparel and for more fans to become interested in the game because of higher scores and more up and down play…. ESPN is planning to take us all back to the end of the days where a team could be a team, and together they would be strong enough to overtake a team with a superstar, by running a 30 for 30 special about the ‘Bad Boys’ era Detroit Pistons.

These Bad Boys are not the main reason why I began watching basketball, but I came to love them because all of my friends hated them.  I grew up a fan of Joe Dumars, who was a main member of the Bad Boys teams of the late 80s and early 90s.

So… tune your televisions to ESPN on April 17 at 8pm to see the Bad Boys honored in a 2 hour documentary in which many old players, coaches, and opponents are interviewed as a part of the show.  So, even though it’s “April in the D” and the Tigers are back… get a little warmth back in your soul by watching Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, Salley, etc all smack down Jordan and Pippen’s candya$$e$ while their former teammates and coaches whine about it and we all laugh about it and wish Greg Monroe or Andre Drummond had a mean streak in them like the former Bad Boys big men.

According to CBS Sports’ Matt Moore’s report, based on the David Aldridge article on NBA.com, the Pistons will match any offer sheet signed by Greg Monroe, even if it is the maximum dollar value applicable under the recent collective bargaining agreement.  From the report:

2. Greg Monroe, Pistons (restricted free agent after 2013-14)

The Pistons, one of the league’s bigger disappointments this season, fired coach Maurice Cheeks on Sunday off orders from owner Tom Gores. What that means for their immediate plans with Monroe are up in the air. For the moment, the Pistons remain adamant that the 23-year-old Monroe is a key part of their future, alongside second-year center Andre Drummond.

But they opted not to give Monroe an extension before last October’s deadline, though they can match any other team’s offer he’ll receive next summer. The problem, as the Pistons knew last fall, is that Monroe’s agent is David Falk. He has gotten the price he said he’d get for his clients for two decades — and he says the price for Monroe will be a max contract.

Two years ago, when a big deal for Indiana’s Roy Hibbert, a Falk client, seemed doubtful, Falk created a one-team market. Portland dropped a four-year, $58 million sheet on Indiana for Hibbert. The Pacers matched, and are no doubt happy they did, but Falk proved he can still find suitors when he has to for his guys.

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If Falk finds a team ready to give Monroe the max or something close to it, expect Detroit to match the offer sheet and worry about the money later. At worst, you’d have a 24-year-old, 6-foot-10 power forward under contract that you’d then be able to shop. The Pistons had to lose a lot to wind up with top-10 picks in three straight Drafts. Those assets mean more to them than they probably do to others.

This news should come as no surprise to Pistons fans as recently Tom Gores has reiterated his opinion to anyone and everyone who has listened, that the team has more talent than it has shown in its record.  Monroe, 23, is entering the final year of his rookie wage scale contract and the Pistons will be able to retain his exclusive rights this offseason by extending a qualifying offer to him, thus making him a restricted free agent.

It only makes sense to keep Monroe around because he is still an asset to the organization, and has proven that he can adjust his role based on what the team needs as he has suddenly slipped from the 1st option on offense to something that resembles the 2nd, 3rd or 4th option on offense depending on how the others are performing.  He is currently experiencing a career low percentage in “usage rate”, while still putting up solid offensive numbers when given a chance to play with the ball in his hands.

The Pistons are playing their first game under new Interim Head Coach John Loyer tonight at The Palace at 7:30pm, against the San Antonio Spurs.

There are times in a guy’s career where he gets snubbed for an All Star team a time or two due to “paying dues”, or like in the case of Andre Drummond this season, because he’s just not on a good team.  The Pistons who are currently playing at a .400 clip, are not playing poorly due to Drummond’s play on the court.  Drummond, 20, is in the top 3 among all Centers in the critical statistical categories aside from blocked shots.  Let’s take a look at the numbers:

Andre Drummond
12.6 points
12.7 rebounds
60% field goal percentage
5.2 win shares

Roy Hibbert (All Star reserve)
11.8 points
7.8 rebounds
46% field goal percentage
4.5 win shares

Joakim Noah (All Star reserve)
11.7 points
11.7 rebounds
46% field goal percentage
5.3 win shares

(Don’t get me started on Chris Bosh, even though he has filled in admirably for the Heat with Wade out for extended periods of time.)

The numbers show that Drummond is deserving to not only make the All Star team, but he would be an acceptable starter if voted in by the fans.  Drummond can partially thank the recent change by the NBA to eliminate the Center position from the balloting, so now fans are not forced to pick a Hibbert or Noah (who would be the popular choices) or like in past seasons Jamaal Magloire.

He also has his team to thank for the snub.  The collective team has not played well enough in a weak Eastern Conference to elevate themselves into the playoff conversation, let alone to be represented in the All Star Weekend events.  Sure, Drummond will play in the “Rising Stars Rookie vs. Sophomores” game.  Had he been snubbed from that game, then we really would’ve had a problem.  (I believe Kyle Singler AND Kentavious Caldwell-Pope were both snubbed)
Andre-Drummond-Pistons-vs-Bucks-12-4-2013
As a group, the coaching staff and players should look to this snub as a personal affront and should serve as a cold, hard truth about how the outside world views them.  The team is broken as a collective group, but even the stars are overlooked in favor for lesser performers.  Greg Monroe is being the ultimate team player by playing out of position and putting up with career low usage.  Andre Drummond is dunking everything in sight, to the tune of what should be an All Star reserve nomination and he has nothing to show for it.  These are our 2 building blocks and they’re in the years of their careers when showing promise for the future means that they may want to stick around for the duration of their careers… and the bunch of guys around them are playing and working as if they have no clue what they’re doing or wasting away.

Maybe Drummond will receive some recognition if Noah by chance chooses not to play (he’s been injured a little lately), but even then the damage is done and the truth is in black and white.  The Pistons are so bad, even their best players aren’t good enough for the bright lights.

Turrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrible….

Turrible… It’s hard to not just mail it in on game re-caps after the Pistons mailed it in last night against the Mavericks, in Dallas.   The good news is that they came out of the halftime break showing some fight, with a 35 point outburst.  The bad news though, and this won’t be reported as a “4th quarter collapse” since they were losing heading into the 4th quarter, but the Mavs proved to be too much for the Pistons in the 4th quarter as they pulled away with a 32 point quarter behind the leadership of Dirk Nowitzki and former Piston Jose Calderon.

The good:

  • Greg Monroe scored 20 and fell short of a double-double by 1 rebound.  Dirk is a tough matchup for most, and you could tell when Monroe matched up with him that he was out of his comfort zone.

The bad:

  • 116 points on 74 field goal attempts by the Mavs.  58% from the field and 23-28 from the line mean that they were aggressive and assertive on offense all night.
  • 28 points in 3 of 4 quarters, and 32 in the 4th quarter for the Mavs.  No one took leadership on the defensive side of the ball.
  • Brandon Jennings had a good night on offense, but had half of the team’s turnovers with 6.
  • Jose Calderon took advantage of the Pistons poor perimeter defense to the tune of 17 points on 7-8 shooting
  • Devin Harris and the shell of Vince Carter’s former self were a +12 off the bench for the Mavs
  • Andre Drummond was in a tough spot all night, but at times it was so bad that he was pulled for Josh Harrellson because of blown assignments and poor matchups.

The ugly:

  • Usually I hate to keep beating a dead horse but… Josh Smith is a chucker.  25 points on 24 shots is awful.  At least he only had 2 3 point attempts.
  • Rodney Stuckey and Kyle Singler were awful off the bench.

The Pistons have now lost 4 straight, and it’s hard to see an end to this streak in sight.  On one night, they look like world beaters when they hand the Indiana Pacers their only home loss of the season and beat down the Miami Heat… but then on the next night they “done get blowed out” by teams like the Charlotte Bobcats, Utah Jazz, and other bottom feeders.

As a fan, you try to see the good that the team has.  Right now we know we have 2 cornerstone type players in Greg Monroe and Andre Drummond.  We have an unknown quantity in Caldwell-Pope, and there is some upside in the future with Tony Mitchell.  That’s it, folks.  We knew who Brandon Jennings was before he came to this team, and he hasn’t changed (no matter how many ‘Bad Boys’ t-shirts he wore as a kid).  We all let out a collective sigh when Josh Smith was signed because he has shown that he can’t (won’t?) adapt his game to a system.  I was a Trey Burke fan at the draft, but I’ll give Kentavious Caldwell-Pope my support because he has shown some flashes.  As Natalie said here, the sun’s not even shining on this dog’s a** nowadays.

The 3-6 Pistons are back home after a 1-3 West Coast swing to face the 3-6 New York Knicks. The Knicks and Pistons share a common theme, although it was assumed the Pistons’ wouldn’t be as bad as its been, in that they have putting disjointed lineups on the floor while searching for the right combination of defense to go with their offense. While the Pistons have all their players healthy for the most part, the Knicks are hurting for big man help with Tyson Chandler being out with a broken leg and Amare Stoudemire relegated to 12th man status for Coach Woodson.

  • The good:Home sweet home, finally… The Pistons have struggled in recent seasons on trips to the West Coast. They’re currently 2-2 at home, with 2 of their losses coming in competitive contests against 2 of the league’s best teams in Indiana and Oklahoma City.
  • The bad:The Pistons are shooting 28% from 3 while their opponents are shooting 39%. A lot of the opponent percentages has to do with Josh Smith and Jonas Jerebko sagging off of their man to provide help D in the paint. As former PF, it’s only natural for them to sag back to their natural spot to help Monroe or Drummond. Detroit’s shooting is a problem we knew would be there, but the percentage differential is the likely cause of 1-2 losses so far in this early season.
  • The unknown:Can Josh Smith stop Imam Shumpert and can Greg Monroe guard Carmelo Anthony effectively? The Knicks are a team that likes to get up and down, while the Pistons are running a more traditional lineup of big men stuck on the block. Coach Cheeks may need to get creative with his rotations tonight in order for the Pistons to not get killed in transition.

Some familiar faces will be on the floor for Pistons fans tonight. Tim Hardaway Jr., standout rookie from Michigan, will see time as the backup SG and SF position for the Knicks, and let’s not forget Metta World Peace is now a Knick as well. The matchup to watch is not necessarily 2 guys who will be guarding each other. Brandon Jennings and JR Smith have made waves on twitter in the last week, leading to a $25,000 fine for JR Smith for the language he used. The last thing we need is a confrontation, especially with a team that has Amare Stoudemire, Kenyon Martin and Metta World Peace on the bench. In other news JR’s brother, the center of the twitter controversy, has been assigned to the D League and will not suit up in street clothes for tonight’s game.

Tip off is at 7:30 pm and will be broadcast on Fox Sports . If you can’t catch the game on TV, catch it on the radio over at 97.1 the Ticket.

The 2-4 Pistons are in Golden State for the second game of their four game West Cost trip, to play the 4-3 Golden State Warriors. The Pistons are looking to break a 3 game losing streak, and more importantly, looking to get their first road win of the season. Golden State is in the midst of a short losing streak of their own, having lost their last 2 games.

  • The good:  The Pistons are averaging a league high 52 points per game in the paint. They will need to exploit this advantage against the Warriors big men pairings of David Lee, and Andrew Bogut.
  • The bad: The Pistons have lost 13 of their last 16 road games. The old adage is: protect your home court and go .500 on the road, and you’ll be alright. The Warriors present an obvious matchup dilemma for the Pistons as well – Klay Thompson, Andre Iguoudala, and Stephen Curry love playing an up and down brand of basketball and are all “long”. Long rebounds could be an issue.
  • The unknown: When will Detroit get back to playing defense? The front line has held its own, but the perimeter D has sorely been lacking this season and last night was no exception. 11 3 point field goals by the Trail Blazers. If the perimeter defense sags too far away from Curry, Thompson, Iguoudala, Barnes, Douglas, etc, it will be a long night.

Tip off is at 10:30 pm and will be broadcast on Fox Sports Detroit. If you’re an out of towner like I am, the game will be broadcast nationally on NBATV. If you can’t catch the game on TV, catch it on the radio over at 97.1 the Ticket.

What a night!  The Palace was rocking from the opening introductions to the final tip as the Pistons beat the Washington Wizards 113-102.  Much was said about the Pistons this offseason – the expectations are high from everyone after the signing of Josh Smith, the surprise play of Andre Drummond last year, and Greg Monroe’s continuing maturation into one of the game’s best big men, and last night all 3 showed flashes of what people have been so excited about all offseason.

Greg-Monroe-Opening-Night-2013

  • Rookie Kentavious Caldwell-Pope showed flashes of why the Pistons thought so highly of him in the draft – he finished with 9 points in 27 minutes, but he showed that he’s going to do what it takes to make Piston fans accept him with his hard nosed perimeter D (2 steals), and his aggressive cuts to the basket for easy dunks and layups.
  • Josh Smith is a box score filler, and last night didn’t disappoint: 19 points (3-7 from 3), 5 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 block.
  • Chauncey Billups received the largest ovation of the night during pre-game introductions, and Natalie was there to capture it.
  • The Wizards and their fans are as excited about their young backcourt, as we are about Monroe and Drummond.  Bradley Beal and John Wall combined for 39 points on 14-49 shooting, with Wall finishing with 11 assists.
  • Trevor Ariza was hot from 3 in the first half and ended up leading all scorers with 28 points (6-11 from 3)
  • Did anyone else notice the emotion from Greg Monroe last night?  Monroe dominated on the offensive end which lead to several trips to the foul line (15 attempts) to go along with dunks and layups finished with mean mugging and primal screams.
  • The movement on the offensive end was impressive – all of the Pistons that played came out with high energy and they played well as a team.
  • Coach Cheeks did what Lawrence Frank couldn’t do, he won his first game as Coach of the Pistons.
  • With Stuckey out for the foreseeable future until likely Friday’s game against Memphis (thanks pistonsfan101), and Brandon Jennings out another week or two with a fractured jaw, the backcourt rotation of Bynum, KCP, Billups, and Kyle Singler stepped up with big numbers and solid defense on the young Wizards backcourt.
  • Who else heard the MVP chants by the crowd when Billups was announced with the starters?
  • Andre Drummond is going to earn the mantle of “Putback King” from Natalie after several emphatic dunks off of teammate misses.

You watch these guys all preseason and you think to yourself, “well, they’re only playing preseason.  Let’s see what they do in the regular season”, and you expect them to come out a little flat with Coach Cheeks’ new rotation.  With Siva, Mitchell and Datome all relegated to “new guy” minutes, Coach Cheeks leaned heavily on Monroe and Smith to play extended minutes, and he counted on Chauncey to get 31 minutes out of his weary legs.

Aside from the 18 turnovers, the Pistons looked great on both ends of the floor.  With both teams being teams that love to run in the open court, the score was not surprising.  The score was as close as it was thanks to solid 3 point shooting by the Wizards, which counted for approximately 30% of their points for the night.

Next up the Pistons travel to Memphis to face the Grizzlies and familiar face, Tayshaun Prince.  The Grizzlies have a new coach as well, but still retain many of the pieces that lead them to deep playoff runs the last 2 seasons.  They will need to count on big games from Josh Smith, Billups and Bynum as reigning Defensive Player of the Year Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph will match up well with Andre Drummond and Greg Monroe.  Should be a good early test for the young Pistons squad.

Happy?  Sad?  Depressed?  Anxious?  Melancholy?  Ecstatic?  Does the thought of having Charlie Villanueva to kick around for another potentially sluggish season give you hope for the 2012-2013 season?  What is it, you guys?

  • I’m excited about the opportunity to see guys like Brandon Knight improve and continue to gel with Greg Monroe and even Rodney Stuckey.
  • I’m excited about potentially seeing Ben Wallace back for his much deserved farewell tour.
  • I’m sad to see Austin Daye still in a Pistons uniform, after I had such high hopes for him.
  • As high as my hopes were for Daye, they couldn’t have been higher than when the Pistons signed Charlie Villanueva and now my feelings about that move couldn’t be any lower.  I can’t hate the guy, but I almost hate him for single handedly driving the team back to the Teal era on the court.
  • Although it cost the team a 1st round pick, I’m happy to see what an expiring contract like Corey Maggette brings the team in return.  So far, we’ve dumped Ben Gordon.  We won’t know who won the deal until we see who takes Maggette’s spot.
  • I’m excited that Joe Dumars was able to acquire Dwight Howard for a handful of 2nd round draft picks!
  • I’m happy to see what Lawrence Frank has in store for the team with a full offseason in place to work with them.
  • How can you not be excited about the potential that is there with Andre Drummond?
  • I’m happy that Kim English is talking about the Bad Boys as being the type of basketball he enjoys, he is now my favorite player aside from Greg Monroe.
  • I can never hate Tayshaun Prince (because of this - god, look how young he looks), but I’m tired of having him be the centerpiece of the offense.  Jerebko likely won’t ever be a starting SF in the NBA, but it’s time for Tay to sit for Coach Frank to fully realize what he has at SF.
  • I always love a good baby feast from Jason Maxiell, who is entering the final year of his contract with the Pistons.

It’s kind of been a down offseason so far for the Pistons.  There haven’t been any big splashy free agent signings or trades (largely due to the cap situation).  How do you feel about the team?  What are you excited about, if anything?  What moves do you think will take place between now and Game 1?

Quick Poll: Who liked the podcasts?  Is that a feature you’d like to see more of in the future?  It takes some time for Natalie and I to do them, because of our schedules, but we’re happy to continue doing them if they were a fan favorite.  (Except to that guy who said it sounded like I was chewing on my tongue, he knows where he can go and what he can do).

So we’ve got some down time between now and the end of Summer when it comes to Pistons basketball.  What better to do than discuss who would be on your 12 man roster of All Time Detroit Pistons.  Some of the readers here are only old enough to know the young(er) guys like Rodney Stuckey, Tayshaun Prince, or Grant Hill, while some of the old(er) readers remember Dave Bing, Bob Lanier and even Dave DeBusschere.

Let’s set some ground rules:

  1. 2 point guards, 2 shooting guards, 1 combo guard/forward, 2 small forwards, and 5 power forward/center types.  Although the Miami Heat showed they can win without a true big man, there are enough good Pistons big men from the past that could get the job done.
  2. Pick a Coach, and coaching staff.  Your coaching staff can be a complete staff from a particular coach, if you’re not aware of the individuals who have coached over the years.
  3. Pick a uniform era (Teal era, Bad Boys blue and white, old blue and white with thunderbolt, etc)
  4. Pick an arena (likely all will pick The Palace, since The Silverdome was awful)

Ok, with all of that said, here is my team and an explanation as to why for each:

  1. Isiah Thomas (Starting PG): Hall of Famer.  Fiery leader who left it all out on the floor each night.
  2. Chauncey Billups (PG): Quiet leader who let his game do the talking.  Value was truly unknown to this team until his was traded.
  3. Joe Dumars (Starting SG): More of a combo guard than anything, because of his ball handling skills.  There is not a better guard tandem to have ever played this game than the backcourt of Thomas and Dumars.  Plus, he was my favorite player growing up.
  4. Vinnie Johnson (SG): Instant offense off the bench – may not be more talented than Richard Hamilton, but if I need a guy off the bench I want the Microwave.  (Note: my omission of Rip Hamilton is not meant to be a slight against him)
  5. Dave Bing (Combo SG/PG): Hall of Famer.  Bing was a player who was way ahead of his time.  Averaged 22 points a night in an era where the 3 point shot wasn’t available.
  6. Adrian Dantley (Starting SF): A lot of people will say that Mark Aguirre put the team over the top, because Dantley was only good at one end of the floor (offense).  Dantley made his impression on me as a youth with his scoring ability and high socks which made it look like he was faster than he actually is.
  7. Tayshaun Prince (SF): “The Block” is what should put him on every All Time Pistons team for the rest of his life.  That block was what helped propel the Pistons into the 2004 Finals for their franchise’s 3rd NBA Title.
  8. Dennis Rodman (Starting PF): “The Worm” is there to get under your skin.  A lock down defender against guys twice his size and weight.  Awful on offense, but with all the shots being hoisted up by my backcourt, I need solid rebounding down low.
  9. Ben Wallace (Starting C): Having Big Ben start alongside Rodman leaves me short up front, but who scores on these guys when both are in their prime?  This front court could average 24 rebounds a night.
  10. Bob Lanier (Backup PF/C): Averaged 23 and 12 a night for the majority of his career.  Left handed big men always get bonus points with me.
  11. Rasheed Wallace (Backup PF/C): Is the best stretch Power Forward from an era when the stretch power forward became a fad.  Known for his constant trash talking, Rasheed has been called the best teammate that his teammates ever had.
  12. Rick Mahorn (PF/C – 12th man/head benchmob cheerleader): Mahorn was a load in the paint.  Would smile in your face if he knew you didn’t like it.
  13. Chuck Daly (Head Coach): The implementer of the “Jordan Rules” would relish the chance to design defenses to guard some of today’s young “me first” basketball players.
  14. 1989-1990 Coaching Staff: Lead by future Toronto Head Coach Brendan Malone.
  15. The Palace of Auburn Hills (Arena): The Palace still looks new to me.  In an era where things have to be “bigger and better”, the Palace has been able to thrive for over 20 years now.  Sure, there have been several facelifts and modifications.  But like with fine wine, the Palace seems to get better with age.
  16. Bad Boys era blue and white Pistons uniforms:  Something about these unis signified toughness for me.  If it wasn’t the plain block lettering with the big red and white stripes, it was the plain blue shorts with the stripes around your waist and down your thighs (like boxing trunks).  Plain and simple, until they were screwed up by the teal era.

Detroit Bad Boys

Honorable mention: Grant Hill, Bill Laimbeer, Richard Hamilton, James Edwards, and John Salley.  Larry Brown and Flip Saunders.

I couldn’t nominate Grant Hill to be a starter, because although he was one of the best players to ever wear the Pistons red blue and white, he wanted to get out of Detroit.  He wanted to escape the teal era.  I couldn’t do Rip either – too many guys who were the epitome of Pistons basketball for me growing up as a child of the late 80s and early 90s.  These are guys who I emulated on the basketball court myself.  Buddha and Salley were tough casualties, but I could only keep 12.  Same with Laimbeer.

So let’s hear it Pistons fans, who is your All Time team?  I can admit I wasn’t around to see Bob Lanier or Dave Bing play, but their stats don’t lie.  It would be fun watching the combination of Ben and Rasheed Wallace match up against the big men from the Bad Boys era, like Laimbeer and Salley had to.