Get used to seeing this, Pistons’ fans. Let’s see Arnie work some magic on these old knees.
If you thought the Pistons’ roster was loaded with wing players prior to the signing of Tracy McGrady, well, it’s even worse now. I’ll be the 35,739th Piston fan who has questioned this move since finding out about it, and I’m likely not the only person who has taken the 96 available minutes between the SG and SF positions and tried to find a way for all of our wings to play.
Honestly guys, I can’t find anything positive about this move. McGrady is a 7 time NBA All Star, he is a scoring champion, he is able to create his own shot, and he has the size to play both the SG and SF positions while also possessing the ball handling abilities to play PG on occasion. What I also know is the team has used a mid first round pick on a small forward (Austin Daye) and 2 second round picks on small forward/power forward hybrids in Jonas Jerebko and DaJuan Summers. Let’s say the acquisition of McGrady runs Summers out of town, you’re still left with Tayshaun Prince/McGrady/Daye/Jerebko. Dumars has also used draft picks on Terrico White while there were other big men available in the draft this year.
(Let’s be honest with ourselves folks, unless Jerebko puts on about 25 lbs. of muscle, he’s not a power forward. At best he’s a tweener who is better suited for playing power forward because he lacks the overall foot speed to keep up with small forwards on the defensive end of the floor).
I am not pleased at all with this pick up. So he comes in and plays well? What happens next? The Pistons use whatever cap space they have next year to re-sign him? He has 0 value on the trade market because if he plays above his contract value, he will only return the veteran’s minimum in contract unless we package him with a “bad” contract. Even then he has limited value because who ever acquires him would not retain his “bird rights” going into the offseason, so they would be stuck paying him a portion of their mid-level exception and/or a significant chunk of their available cap space for a then 32 year old SG/SF who has lost explosion off the dribble and who has a history of injuries.
It’s easy to argue “We gave Chucky Atkins the minimum”, but Chucky Atkins is a veteran point guard who has come off the bench before and who could also, and say what you want about it, serve as a mentor for the younger point guards on the roster. McGrady started to break down again last season when the Knicks played him heavy minutes after they acquired him.
Right now, this roster has even less balance than it had before. Without another move in mind, or agreed to in principle, this move makes absolutely 0 sense. The guy is a talented player, in 2003. Right now, he’s just going to eat minutes from guys who need them to get experience and/or he’s taking up a roster spot from a big man who the team so desperately needs.
Evidently Joe Dumars’ answer for our post problems is Chris Wilcox and Ben Wallace. Monroe is there but, if McGrady is coming in and taking minutes from Daye then who’s to say that Wilcox won’t be taking minutes from Monroe?
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Really?? You don’t understand the move? This is a business, they’re not putting out a NBA team for fun. It’s about money, which is about ticket/merchandise sales, which is about big names. And Tracy McGrady is a big name. Let’s face it, most of the Pistons “fans” that go to the game are not very knowledgeable about the league, or players outside of the Pistons. All they know is names, and only the big names at that. So I can guarantee that PS&E sells more tickets purely because of this move. Not to mention it’s a win-win. We signed him for the veteran’s minimum, a very low salary by NBA standards, he’s a former all-star, and the main reason in his decline of the last few years is injury problems. The Pistons are the best in the league for taking old/injury prone players and making them healthy and/or productive again. (i.e. Sheed, Chauncey, Ben, McDyess etc.) Also factor in that this gives us a better ability to trade Rip, Tay, or both for the center we need, clearing the logjam at guard/sf and rounding out the team at the same time.
@Jayg108 Sadly, Karen Davidson doesn’t give a crap about Mr. D’s legacy. She put his life’s work up for sale less then a year after he died, and I would be surprised if she didn’t take the highest bidder because of all the inheritance tax she will have to pay, not to mention the obvious greed (she is already filthy rich, but she wants to sell the team to stay filthy rich, and move out of Michigan as fast as possible). Personally I think she is just a bad person (several other words come to mind, but I’ll be PC) and I wish PS&E would have stayed in the Davidson family, but here’s hoping that Mr. I is the highest bidder, and hopefully keeps them in the Palace, which I doubt.
You’re right, Nat. This move makes zero sense UNLESS Tayshaun and Rip are both traded, moves which I assume are already in the works, or are being shopped around as we speak. If neither of them are moved by the first game of the season, then we have to start wondering if Joe might’ve bumped his head somewhere.
The Pistons are capable of a good 15-20 game stretch this season, however, Tracy isn’t a proven winner.
Teams like Miami, Boston, Orlando, Chicago, Atlanta all match up poorly with the ‘Stons.
The only possible way I can see Detroit making the playoffs is we set an NBA record for MADE 12-18 foot jump shots because that is really all we have. I don’t see this team getting many stops especially inside so we have to average 100+ a game. Which we haven’t seen in Detroit since … the Bad Boys?
And to have referred the Bad Boys in a Tracy McGrady blog in support of this move by the Pistons? I have probably just committed a sin. Anyhow, we will see where they stand at the 21 game mark, then the 42, so on and so forth. A .500 record would be fine with me! This Pistons team would have looked a whole lot better in lets say 05-06, interesting thought.
If anything, these guys will look great in Teal on a throw back night. Good luck ’10-’11 Detroit Pistons.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/detroitnws/detroitnws_ts3379
I posted this above, and I’ll post it below
“And to add to Natalie’s point –
comments that bash other commenters are stupid, I think we all can agree. I can tell you though that “Gludious”, “Chester”, “Black Rambo”, “Blazer”, “Ted”, “Ralph Nadar”, and “Buffalo Bill” are all the same person.
“Bobby” and “CuTThroaT” are the same person. Aside from them, the comments haven’t been all that bad.”
and I’ll add something else too… out of all the Pistons’ fans you know, besides maybe Natalie, you won’t find a bigger blind homer than me. what you will find, however, is a guy who doesn’t see a direction with this current roster meaning as it’s currently constructed. if this move is it, and no trades are made, this move does not improve the quality of play on the floor. we have to assume that Daye will improve, therefore he will have earned more playing time.
Why do we have to assume that? Because we’re all assuming McGrady will come in and contribute right? It’s only natural growth and progression for Daye, Jerebko and hell even Summers to grow and improve man.
If Natalie loses readers because she or I keep it real with our opinions, I can’t speak for her but I know that it’s no big loss. I was posting my thoughts on this move, and by no means was I bashing the Pistons or the current players on the roster. I was simply questioning the move because I think it proves that there is no clear direction which the team is going with regard to the “rebuilding” that needs to be happening.
AMEN
Great move for the Pistons as long as Rip or Prince get dealt before the season because McGrady is a star around the league when healthy and can help the Pistons a lot. At age 31 still has a lot left in the tank with something to prove.GOOD LUCK PISTONS N T-MAC
i dont understand how some of your rotations look guys. you have charlie v starting or ahead of monroe?
here’s how I see it, we have 2 high quality players:
Ben Wallace (if healthy), Stuckey
Then we have some decent NBA ballers
rip, prince, jerebko, bynum
Nobody else has really produced for us for one reason or another, Maxiell, Wilcox never developed properly, Daye can’t move his feet and defend, Charlie V has super glue on his hands can’t pass the ball, white is unproven, ben gordon can’t defend and without a shot he’s nothing (he’ll be better this year but still)
As I see it we have no choice but to go with
center: wallace
pf: Monroe
sf: jerebko, prince
sg : rip, ben gordon
pg: stuckey, bynum
I don’t care where you put the rest of the guys, we don’t have a ton of talent.
Look at the bulls, they have all kinds of talent, we could take one of their 7th or 8th guys and start him right away, same with orlando, hawsk or the bucks.
I look at the celtics with their bench players glen davis, nate robinson, rasheed wallace (who I guess got waved this year), I wish we could start some of their bench players.
The good news is that you don’t necessarily need a deep bench to win when the pistons won in 2004 it was basically the same 5 guys on the court nonstop.
the bad news is that we are still missing short at least one player possibly two, in our starting roster, before we can compete in the NBA
I think Joe D wants to win this season, he’s like you or me! He’s sick of losing.
Unfortunately he’s been hypnotized by his own farts and thinks he can win with the current roster. He thinks we can beat chicago, boston and miami with Charlie V, plodding around that throwing up 3′s like a broken toaster, that we can win by having Ben Gordon play a matador on one end of the floor and the most inconsistent 3 pointer in the nba on the other end.
I love monroe, have you guys seen him play? He should start no question, jerebko should start, ben wallace has to start, stucky is one of our two best players, rip is still at the height of his game, prince needs limited minutes just so he can stay healthy.
We are wasting so much money on bg and charlie v. I suppose they can both surprise us, but no matter what BG is never gonna be better than rip, and charlie v is so weak, he always is playing out of position, he’s never going to be our power forward, he doesn’t even enjoy having his back to the basket.
You know what this team really needs? It needs a ‘Sheed. Serious. Not rasheed wallace, he got lazy after he won the ring. But someone like him, someone with power, that can defend, loves having his back to the basket, and someone that can defend one on one any single person in the league, be it lebron james barreling like a freight train or howard taking his patented 5 extras steps on a baby jump hook. Sheed always someone got howard to get going in the wrong direction and made him shoot with his wrong hand, he always knew where lebron was on the court and didnt leave him open lanes.
I would be really happy with this team if we got rid of 4 or 5 players, so the chemistry was better, and if we got a servicable big man to help ben wallace. right now, Joe D seems to be happy with his team, but he’s completely hypnotized himself and I refuse to cheer on his delusion. I like Joe and I think he’ll come around, I just want it to happen sooner or later, that’s why I’m being so critical.
Actually maybe this can work. Starting lineup of Stuckey, Hamilton, Prince, Villanueva, Monroe. This means a lot of our defense resides in the wings and we have offensively inclined big men starting.
2nd unit of: Bynum, Gordon, McGrady, Jerebko, Wallace. Now, a lot of our defense resides down low, while the three smaller players hold responsibility for most of our offense.
Other players: Daye, Maxiell.
Players that usually won’t dress: Summers, Wilcox, White.
Now, I’m fine with all the above, other than I regret how Daye’s and Summer’s roles will shrink and how Jerebko and Villa will pretty much only get time at the 4 (never the 3) and Wallace and Monroe will only see time at the 5 (not the 4). Also, McGrady will pretty much only fit at the 3 (unless Gordon plays some 1) and Stuckey will only find time at the 1 (when he might be better off at the 2).
I don’t see how this is a bad move, I really don’t.
Dumars didn’t sign him with the intention of adding to an already clogged shooting-guard/small-forward positions.
He obviously has something else lined up. If Hamilton is traded, Mcgrady gives us length at the guard position. If Prince is traded, Mcgrady gives us a veteran small-forward. One or both will be traded by the end of the offseason. Daye and Jerebko will find time. The front-office might feel Daye isn’t fully ready yet. And if he proves to them that he is, they will make a spot open for him. I don’t love the move, but I do like it. Mostly because I feel Rip won’t be in a Piston jersey this coming season. Since Gordon and Bynum are under-sized, Mcgrady will give us that much needed length in the back-court.
i usually always agree with edit and i do again this time. i would have monroe at the 4 and ben at the five to start. after about 15 mins id pull ben out and move greg to the 5 and put in maxiel. im not a huge fan of cv doesnt play d and doesnt rebound the two most important things in my eyes. i really do believe prine will get traded soon hopefully for a big that can defend and score in the paint. i am a fan of kaman and he is a native of michagin. lets see what happens like i said im sure joe has pieces ready to move.
You can say things like, “what is the point of signing him?”. Well, what is the point of signing anyone?
You play to win the games.
It’s not as if we could have gone out and signed some great center for $1 million. This signing will make us a better team, therefore it was a good move. End of story.
And yes, we probably will trade Rip and/or Prince – hopefully for a post player or some draft picks. So that should open up more minutes at SG/SF.
Im not saying i like this move, but i think it will help the team. Nobody knows what the outcome will be of this move or team. People can’t just assume things right from the start. The pistons were god-awful last year and i think most (if not all) of the the players realized it. I honestly thing Charlie and Ben will improve signinfigantly this year and the signing of T-MAc will only help our young forwards, espcailly Daye and Jonas. I don’t know about you guys, but I am really excited about the Pistons this year. WHo knows if they will make the playoffs, but all im saying is that if the players have enough heart, and the city and fans stand by the team, then the sky’s the limit for the PISTONS! DETROIT BASKETBALL 4 LIFE!
“This is chess not checkers!” ~ Denzel Washington – Training Day.
Tracy McGrady pickup is part of a larger picture and shouldn’t be taken at face value.
It’s been a while since I’ve commented here, but reading this article by Danny makes me want to share some thoughts:
Signing T-Mac for the veterans’ minimum is NOT a bad deal. Extremely low risk, potentially huge reward. I must say I don’t understand all the hate on Joe D and T-Mac. Sure Joe’s had some trouble in recent years, but the man’s not afraid to take risks, and I personally respect him for that. The AI deal was awful, but when he had the chance to get two solid offensive free agents last year, he jumped on it, as he knew no high profile FAs are going to take less money to come to Detroit (Miami’s much nicer in the winter than the Lower Peninsula). The Darko pick was also questionable, but Dumars isn’t afraid to take chances, and, if he had picked up Melo (keep in mind D-Wade and Bosh were not considered viable options with the 2 pick and Joe would have received a ton of flack from the national sports media), Tayshaun would likely not have developed, a trade for ‘Sheed would have been much less likely, and I highly doubt we would have won the title. Things work themselves out. He knew to pass on overpaying Big Ben, only to sign him last year for the same vet minimum, and he had a resurgence. Who’s to say this won’t with Tracy?
I know this isn’t a very valid argument, but there’s potential he’ll bounce back, assuming he takes a lesser role of the bench (he played well with the Knicks last season, but the huge minutes and equally large demand placed on T-Mac’s weary shoulders wore him down), he could potentially be a hugely valuable commodity. Perhaps even a hot commodity. It seems as though most commentators here are considering only what he’ll do on the floor. This is important, seeing as he’s a basketball player, but there’s much more to the move (potentially). As Evan stated above, he’s a big name, and, if he plays anywhere close to his old capabilities (2 time scoring leader/incredible athlete/creative dunker/creative shot-maker), he can sell tickets, and that’s something the Pistons really need right now. Also, assuming he does play well, as this best case scenario suggests he will, he becomes a great trade chip. I know it’s only $1.3 some million dollars, but it’s an expiring contract, and his star power/ability to win a game or two for a team each season if he’s healthy (see: Tracy McGrady- 13 points in 35 seconds on youtube). Tack him onto a deal that includes either Rip or Tay, and that could potentially net you a bigger and better big man in a trade, or maybe a draft pick or two. Teams want big name, big time scorers who could change the face of a franchise for the better, and some GMs will give up a lot to get one of these guys, especially if it’s on the cheap (see: Joe Dumars trading Chuancey Billups and Antonio McDyess for Allen Iverson). He doesn’t need to be a game changer though. Even if he’s completely average, or a little below, I’d rather have his defense and clutch shooting on the floor at the end of a close game (assuming Tay or Rip are injured or somehow traded without him), than the inexperienced second years. Jerebko will find his time at the 4, as he earned it, and DaJuan Summers (who I really, really like) and Austin Daye will get theirs if they’ve earned it, but I would much rather be able to rely on a crafty veteran than them. Once Rip and/or Tay and/or McGrady are traded they’ll have their chances to step up and show us all what they can really do. Because, and this is important to remember, as very few people seem to have been considering it when they wrote their comments, efforts are (allegedly/reportedly) being made to move some of our wings, so Daye and Summers will get their just rewards if they’ve earned them, all in good time.
Worst case scenario is that T-Mac’s awful or battling injury all season. WHO CARES?! It’s $1.3 million for one year! If he’s bad management can just cut him, that tiny contract won’t cripple us financially by any means if we let him go. And if injured he can sit on the end of the bench and crack some jokes with the youngins that he can mentor (hopefully teaching Daye and Summers how to average 30+ pts per game in a season), and give Arnie something to do to keep his days more interesting.
It’s not a win-win signing, but the loss isn’t a bad one, so I’d say the potentially positives vastly outweigh the negatives. I’m all for this signing, and am looking forward to seeing Tracy McGrady represent the Pistons’ red, white, and blue as a talented player, and represent the state of Michigan as a worldly humanitarian. Welcome, T-Mac, it’ll be a fun year!
Think of the trades we can make now…T-mac, plus Rip/Tayshaun for a big?
I’m hoping for a big too.
I was very shocked as well. He would make a great back up for Tay, but knowing Joe D, most likely Tracy will be playing power forward. I’m still waiting for a point guard.
“T-Mac, there’s a cat in the tree.”
“Save me, T-Mac, save me.”
i think that the starting line-up should be
stucky-pg
rip-SG
t-mac-SF
charlie-PF
big ben-C
and then have a amazing bench with tay and ben and jonas leading the way. oh and will. another plus is the starting line-up is pretty tall other than ben but monroe can replace ben if needed. i would like to hear everyones opinion on this idea . another thing if t-mac does not work out tay can always replace him and then t-mac can go to the bench.
lol @ 13 points in 35 seconds, t-mac was a 25% 3 shooter last year, hitting four 3′s in a row was so lucky.
I’m not really sure what t-mac does any more. He was the scoring champion in 2003 and 2004. Allen Iverson was the scoring champ in 2002 and 2005. Trend? The only washed up scoring champ still playing, that Joe hasn’t hired yet is Shaq. the all time scoring champ of course is Michael Jordan. I hesitate to say that Michael Jordan is washed up, even at 47, I bet he would be a pretty good shooting guard. Maybe that’s Joe’s next move, hire in Michael Jordan as our 2342343th shooting guard and “fill seats.” the same way that AI filled seats and t mac is gonna fill seats.
would michael Jordan play at the vet minimum? lol
Me and a friend were thinking of plausible acquirable big men for the pistons and the name came out of that discussion was Emeka Okafor.. Any other ideas?
My question is how is it impossible to find some positives in the deal?
It’s cheap
If he gets injured and doesnt play then no spilled milk there cause we’re not everpaying
And if he performs well like say Big Ben last year than Joe D looks smart for signing him and helping us win a few games or so.
I dunno this post in general to ME isn’t very Need4Sheed
But oh well
overpaying*
There are rumors that Prince can be traded to OKC. Any ideas?
Danny, you’re annoying. (sorry Nat, because you brought this guy on board) Sometimes, people just want to get their comments or opinions off their chest and be done with it. They don’t want or need somebody sticking in their half-cent’s worth ALL the time. When was the last time you let 10 comments go by without feeling the need to chime in? (rhetorical question, you REALLY don’t need to answer!)
McGrady signing = WHY?!?!
Well I’ll tell ya why Robert. Joe Dumars is in the process of trading Richard Hamilton before the season starts. The deal is imminent, but he’s trying to move Rip without adding Tay to the deal so that may be stalling talks right now, but at any rate Rip is out as a piston.
and you know this how terry?
I don’t agree with you about the signing but I respectfully disagree. The internet is like the safety of your car as you flip off a total stranger for virtually nothing – you’ll never see that cat again (unless he follows your ass home for a beat down). I challenge everyone to act as though they are having a face to face. I bet the discourse changes drastically. Reasonable minds can disagree.
Keep posting Danny boy. Your are offending the offenders. You’re a righteous brother my man! Wrong – in this case methinks – but you have a legitimate view and Joe D should be getting some criticism for what has happened to this team. He wanted to mold it into a “Spurs” like team with vets and youth developing simultaneously. Looks more like the Clippers or the Knicks – fo shizzle.
Has anyone considered sheed coming back? He just “retired” from the NBA, got waived or something with the addition of the Diesel to the boston big party.
I really think that with the addition of sheed and trading rip + prince for anything reasonable as a Center, we´re good for playoffs.
this danny dude is annoying
im happy tmac is here, hoping he can be good…if not, who cares really?
It wouldnt break the orginazation’s back, or anything…plus danny would have probably posted something even more negative and annoying if JoeD had gone through the summer without a signing..(who else was there to sign anyway?)
Here’s to hoping this means a trade for a good big!
i heard that joe d promised both rip & prince they would be allowed to stay in detroit for as long as they wanted, until they retired.
That is one reason i am so suspicious of trade talks. Talks of trades are day dreams for people that can’t accept THIS . . . this the new pistons team. What you see is what you got.
also…
i agree with EDT on his comment that we need a sheed… i agree, a sheed that likes to bang, not like 2005-20009 sheed.
maybe a trade with portland for LeMarcus Aldridge would be nice, for Tay
very wishful thinking
Espn tells me my trade idea is very implausible
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
i dont know much about salary dealings, and other nba works
just a fan
EDT, do you really think joe dumars cares more about his friendships with rip and tay more than a chance to improve the team? I mean hypothetically, say neither wanted to be traded, but a good trade oppertunity fell into JoD’s lap, do you think he’d really shut it down because of “promising” them?
heck if I know! All I know is that dont believe any trade rumors. Everyone dreams about their best trades as if what they wish will come true.
Most likely there will be no trade. Maybe next year who knows?
if we make the division finals with this team why would he want to trade?
Joe really believes that this team can beat Miami. That last year the only reason we lost was injuries. At least that’s what I have gleaned from the interviews.
Go figure.
if joe dumars made any promises about keeping players a certain length of time, he needs to be fired, because he’s not doing his job. there’s a limit to the loyalty a GM should ethically have with his players, and he displayed an INCREDIBLE (and regrettable) amount of loyalty by giving rip that ludicrous extension. nobody in the world thought rip’s play would ever justify that contract. it was an act of loyalty, and a “thank you” for his contribution to our third championship. joe owes him nothing. he could trade rip absolutely anywhere with a clear conscience.
i read that david aldridge reported that joe said (that sure was clunky) he would not trade tayshaun unless he requested it, but i think that’s because joe’s preference is to trade tay in february; he’d just try to make a deal in the offseason if tayshaun wanted to go. this is the kind of loyalty that a GM should have. not the kind that promises someone he won’t ever be traded, even to the detriment of the team.
also, count me among the legitimate people (i’m not a troll, i try to make good arguments, i don’t have any aliases) who was turned off by the article. i read it and i’m thinking, “how is natalie saying this?” and of course she wasn’t, but it felt very out of place. the thing that absolutely kills this article before is the built-in assumption that the roster is set. i think, if anything, it’s a safe assumption that a trade is imminent. i was nervous about the clogged and mismatched perimeter BEFORE this acquisition (we had an abysmal backcourt quartet, and it would have been a losing proposition to try futilely to establish reasonable rotations), but back then i had a feeling we might actually give it a try. but with this signing, i’m convinced that someone’s getting traded (probably and hopefully rip, as he seems to be the odd man out). no rational person could possibly think all of these perimeter players can coexist.
any math whiz will tell you there’s 24 minutes apiece for stuck, BG, rip, tay, bynum and t-mac if daye, summers and white never ever play ever. i just can’t believe joe thinks this is a good idea. so a trade must be coming. this is about as safe an assumption as you could possibly make in professional sports transactions. this isn’t 2005-2008 when a legitimate backup for tayshaun was our most glaring need and would have greatly increased our chances of winning a championship. and surely some combination of daye, summers, rip, jerebko and stuckey could more than handle all the SF minutes behind tayshaun (heck, to accommodate rip and stuckey with their customary minutes they would NEED to log minutes at SF). he wasn’t signed to be prince’s backup. that makes no sense.
how many players are there in the usual nba rotation? eight or nine? there’s six guys right there for three positions. no daye, summers or white (you might as well put them in street clothes, and you just spent a pick on white that could have been used on a PF/C prospect). you’ve got no idea what you can expect from monroe or villanueva, and big ben looked good last year, but there’s no telling how quickly he declines. your only real known quantities are jerebko and max (the former being a tweener/SF and the latter being three inches shorter!). so you can’t count any of them out of the rotation for a while. so you’re mixing and matching with an 11 man rotation at minimum.
going forward as-is would be a sure fire way to lose now and lose later. but i you trade rip, it suddenly makes a lot of sense. gordon plays next to stuckey in the starting lineup (that’s what he was brought here for, right?), and you’ve got a big guard on the bench to pair with bynum. and i imagine tayshaun will be traded at the deadline when (if healthy) his value peaks, so t-mac will be an especially good addition to have.
joe would have to be developmentally disabled to attempt going forward with the current roster. and as much as i criticize the man, i don’t think he’s the dumbest human being in recorded history.
So, what have we got?
Stuckey / Bynum / White (a piont guard is needed, but maybe Stuck had a great summer
)
Hamilton / Gordon / McGrady (crowded)
Prince / Daye / Summers
Jerebko / Villanueva / Wilcox
Wallace / Maxiell / Monroe (a center is needed)
Rip (much respect) + Maxiell and/or Wilcox for a good center.
But we have better chances of trading Prince + Maxiell cause of their contracts…
T-Mac is still good people, before his injury he lead the Rockets to 21 straight wins. The injury he had takes time to heal, just ask McDyess!
Lets chill people, this is a polarizing discussion, but we are all Piston fans here (I think) respect the right of other people to have an opinion and your right to agree, disagree, or come up with your own opinion.
Again, I want some time to digest this story. Maybe also a chance to see some further roster moves.
i think everyone is a piston fan besides steven. ever since the decision i havent seen him around anymore to talk about the cavs. we will see if anything happens in my mind i think he has something lined up. im sure rip and tay would like to play for contenders so lets wait and see what happens. welcome to the d tmac
Great Choice!!!!!!
If nothing else the young guys will learn from a great guy that can score in different ways. It will be one year but what the young guys can learn from him will be much more valuable!!!!
Successful seasons and playoff series wins fill seats.
Players fill seats when they are a part of this.
They don’t fill them on their own.
Not in this organization, anyway.
I think people resent their subconscious notion that Joe made this move to divert our attention from the obvious logjams at several positions. They then argue that he just made the logjams worse! It would be a decent argument if we were really giving up anything to get T-Mac. Given that we make no more moves, the best healthy players will play. If Jerebko cannot outperform an older, broken down McGrady, he is not the wave of the future. If McGrady gets 20 minutes a night, it is because he is healthy and playing especially well. We have way more talent than the Knicks; we do not need to resort to throwing able-bodies on the court. Players will earn their keep. It’s border-line ridiculous that we are dissecting this signing! How are we going to argue about depth after having all the injuries we had last year? Just TERR-BULL!!!
FIRE JOE BRING BACK JOHN HAMMOND! The End!!!!!
FIRE JOE D. BRING BACK JOHN HAMMOND! The End!!!!!
Frankly, this is the most hysterical I’ve ever seen this website be. And it’s pretty awful. Losing readers and revealing nutty aliases and doubting our fan status?Chillax, please! If we start the season with this line up, then go crazy! None of us is privy to what is actually occurring behind the scenes.
And Boney, you are new, so you should relax too. Be like Natalie. Throw the topic out there and let us all squabble amongst ourselves. It’s what we do best! And please don’t get so defensive about your opinion. This is basketball, not brain surgery. In the big scheme of things, it is sports entertainment and that’s all.
You have good and smart opinions and so do most of us. Remember though, they are only opinions and are not going to affect reality in the slightest.
lets start the season with this lineup give everyone equal minutes (that they deserve) by the middle of the season we will know 2 things who deserves more minutes and who we trade for the positions that we are not producing in. take that boney. lol
http://www.t-mac.com/tmac/blogDetail/2528
we need to be a little more thankful for who we got and stop putting the man down he is a piston now embrace him. be like the people comenting on his site. im am a die hard piston fan i would root for any one on our team (except maybe scalabrine that ugly bastard).
What magazine is T-Mac reading, he really brings an element of toughness to the team. I can’t wait until he offers to take Big Ben out for a mani pedi, and a glass of merlot. Welcome back toughness!
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