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Joe reaching out to Will Bynum, Ben Wallace and Matt Barnes.
“97.1 The Ticket’s Matt Dery has confirmed a Yahoo sports report that Joe Dumars did contact free agent Brendan Haywood after midnight. Also contacted were Ben Wallace, Will Bynum and Matt Barnes.” Via 97.1
On a WTF note, Darko Milicic is is getting paid 20 million dollars to play for the Timberwolves.
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Joe has a job to finish. (dare to say – mess to clear!)
I don’t think Joe plans to stick around to finish the job. Anyone see this?
http://www.northjersey.com/sports/97784594_Talk_with_Dumars.html
http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2010/07/pistons_joe_dumars_denies_repo.html
Darko getting 20million, so what the difference on that and us paying CV the money he got, at this point I’d take Darko over CV lol
should have drafted stevenson
bowers going to nj, dont worry about joeD…if anything watch out for the hornets nabbing him
At least Villanueva has injuries to blame…
I don’t understand this talk of Dumars leaving. He doesn’t seem to be a guy who wants to leave a team incomplete and struggling. If he had left around ’06, ’07 when the Pistons were on top, I could sort of understand. Leaving a team half complete goes against what Dumars has stood for, hence, I don’t buy this talk.
Maybe he doesn’t want to work for Illitch – or whoever.
JOE HAS REJECTED TH NETS JOB, SO LET’S PUT THESE TALKS 2 REST AND THANK GOD THAT HE’S STAYIN. ON A SIDE NOTE WHAT TH HELL HAS DARKO DONE 2 DESERVE 20 MILLION F****N DOLLARS??????
What did Darko do to deserve $20 mill? Probably the same things he did to deserve being the 2nd overall pick… playing sparse minutes that lead to a few highlight plays and a whole lot of the p word…. potential.
Last season was injury plagued… If it weren’t we’d have maybe 10 wins more 4 sure.
This season the key is in 3 things.
1. Can Stuck, CV & BG be what we want them to be…
2. Can Joe D pull out a trade that will bring us a good man in the paint
3. Injury list bein’ a bit smaller this year
That’s it. I’m not really optimistic on these things…
junior I’m with you 100%.
Stuckey was asked to do too much. Have you seen those games where Kobe went off scored 30 or 40 points because his team mates were . . . Kwame Brown and Luke Walton? I’m not saying Stuckey is Kobe. But even the best player in the world can’t play 1 on 5.
Charlie was invisible in the paint. Ben Gordon couldn’t hit a 3. And we did not have a power forward all year!
When Stuckey has better pieces he’ll look like an all star. Billups for instance is the same player that he was on the pistons, but now in Denver he is looking like one of the best points in the game why? He’s playing with ‘Melo instead of Rip (no offense Rip, but you’re no ‘Melo).
Stuckey will play better at shooting guard, but I’m happy with him at point or SG, either way he’s growing up to be an all star.
Monroe will be expected to start and play like an NBA pro his first year. It’s going to be fun to be a piston.
The AI experiment is over. Stuckey is growing up. We have a big man with some emotional maturity. And no matter how much Charlie V and Ben Gordon sucked last year, they are mature enough to come off the bench and never complain about it.
Seriously at the salaries they are paying players in this year of the Great Lebon Chase, it makes sense to already have your pieces.
I’m really starting to understand now why Joe D was so quick to snap up BG & CV. They were the two best free agents last year, now that I see Darko with a $20 million, Joe Johnson with a hundred million and something, bidding for free agents this year seems like it’s a fools game. I’m glad the pistons are out of it!
I will however reserve the right to boo Charlie V if he performs like a matador next year.
I don’t think the FA market is really that out of control, its just a few teams (NY, ATL, MIN) that have historically made bad basketball/cap decisions that are continuing to do just that. Team ink bad deals every single year…
But, a smart front office like they have in OKC, has room for one max guy, but they aren’t in a hurry to spend it on a someone who doesn’t deserve it. Instead they will probably add a few cheap role players, save some room, make deals when other franchises get desperate and still have flexibility in the future to keep Durant.
What Dumars did last year is not really that different from what is going on now… teams overpay the best players that will agree to play for them, regardless of whether it makes basketball sense or not. I honestly can’t sit here and say that paying $100 mill for CV, BG and Wilcox would be better than having paying the same amount for Amare…. Although either is really ideal.
In all honesty there are about 5 GM’s in the league that have any clue at all what they are doing (or that work for owners that will let them do their jobs)…. Most just make obviously stupid moves…
….Take Otis Smith for example. Despite the fact that the Magic are a top 5 team in the league, he has made a bunch of costly, bad decisions of the course of recent seasons…. trading Courtney Lee for VC, dumping Trevor Ariza & Rashard Lewis is currently the 2nd highest paid player in the league ?!?
Is that a different Steve or did “Steve” get back on his meds – either way it’s an improvement. Still rolling with all caps but hey – the comment was not too bad. Good work Steve.
i think joe was smart in not waiting to sign players this year. as popp’s said “why wait for your peice of the pie and say we will give it a shot in another year?” the knicks already looked screwed for next year. lebron is going to drag this out so he can get so much publicity. this fa thing is a joke ppl just want attention.
JOE NEEDS TO GO! Say it with me people.
He single handedly destroyed the pistons franchise and isn’t doing shit all to repair it.
THE ONLY valid excuse in trading Billups for Iverson was to free up cap space. Yet here we are in the biggest free agency market of all time with Dumars and the Pistons sitting on the sidelines with no money to player with because of big contracts to mediocre players.
Dumars received far too much credit for their championship team. He bought into his own hype when he thought he could just get rid of Billups and rebuild. Epic Fail.
hey there EDT glad to see you back, its nice to have a intelligent person to talk to that actually knows something about basketball. joe d was smart to sign bg and cv31 we got a great deal on them for what teams are paying right now for the likes of amir and darko. i mean come on 34 mill for amir? amir? hes ok and young but come on. i would much rather have cv31 for 11 mill more over 5 years then amir. cv31 will be back to his career numbers this year he was playing hurt all year, he will be better this year i guarantee it. same with bg. he is a streaky shooter so he will have his off nights here and there but it will not be anything like it was last year. becuase i know that i wouldnt want to be sitting around HOPING to get a free agent that we threw away a year on (even though we had a bad year cuase of injury, but who could of forseen that) and then be the team that is hung out to dry withno superstar coming here. joe knows what he is doing hes building a TEAM. a TEAM is what wins titles not 1 superstar, just ask lebron how many rings he has.give joe this year and possibly the next and we will back to the elite in the east. cmon guys have a little faith in OUR TEAM. i do. EDT does. do you?
steve u have to have a brain before u can have an opinion.
I do have faith, but honestly, I’m waiting Joe to make something happen this summer
Seeing the Two guys we could’ve had signing with one team makes me sick. What’s worse is that we don’t even have the freaking cap space after a wasted season to go after ANY top free agents.
If you don’t think Joe has made a big mistake when he picked Darko, you at least should consider our current situation a disaster with all the money he had beginning of the last season. Speaking of last season, 7th pick? come on…. That’s all we got….
Junior if you don’t agree with what Steve said on that particular post, You have no brain at all, at least you don’t know much about all aspects of basketball.!! you dilutional.
This is a business, people make mistakes. Joe Dumars is not a saint for christ sake.
just about anyone else with the #2 pick in 03 would have drafted Darko
i hold joe d accountable for all his mistake. I think that picking darko was a mistake. Maybe some other managers would have made it. But he should not have. He should have been better than that.
I never liked the CV and BG signings, I didnt like how he traded away billups, I hated AI, the pileup at small forward and shooting guard.
But Joe D has done a lot of great things, not just the 2004 championship team but since then he has made some really astute picks. Who doesn’t love JJ? But maybe the best thing Joe D has is an attitude. We just had the worst season I can remember, and yet the team still has hope, they played hard at the end, and they look excited to play next year.
The pistons are gonna be a really good team next year. Don’t you get that feeling?
I knew last year was going to be a disaster, but next year we will really shine. One reason is that with this team we got something that teams with better players might not have and that’s a great attitude, players willing to play their best even from the bench.
Let’s just be happy that this year, with this team, I think we are gong to go to the playoffs and give anyone who goes against us a good fight.
Think of all the players that we have that are going to get better. Stuckey will get better. Jerebko will get better. Ben Gordon will play more like his old self and get better (it’s theoretically impossible to play worse).
I love having so many young players.
I will be so happy that we are done with Kwame “Potato Hands” Brown, what a waste of time and money.
It’s an exciting time to be a piston. And now that I see how Wade and Bosh ended up in Miami, I’m glad we aren’t in the hunt for them.
We never had a chance at Lebron, we were never in the top five, and now, apparently we never had a chance for wade or bosh, it looks like that was his plan all along to stay in Miami.
I admit now I was wrong. I thought we should have been in the free agency hunt this year. But oh what a mess! CV and BG have been real disappointments to me, I never though we should have signed them. But I really understand now how futile it is to try to win the lebron-stakes unless you are chicago, miami or cleveland.
Haha nicks. Hope you like losing. More.
i didnt believe we should of been in free agency this year or last year, however i guarantee you our chances of getting prized free agents would of been much bigger if we didnt loose sheed and dice if we had avery johnson at coach AND ESPECIALLY if chauncey was still running the point.
with that being said i like the fact joe is correcting his mistakes, i like the fact he watched the teams who got to the finals lakers and celtics and realized going small doesnt work and you need toughness and length lakers are the biggest team in the league almost and i think joe d realized that helps your defense and if kendrick perkins didnt get hurt i would call the celtics the toughest to beat. but i think sheed calm and detatacted attitude sort of played a role in celtics losing
OK. That’s definitely a different Steve.
i would rather rebuild and start now instead of wait till our players go too old to play at this level. we needed to rebuild i got tired of us losing int he conf finals every year. it was time to let it go and i think joe did the right thing by creating space to trade last year. i wouldnt of signed cv but maybe his attitude will turn around and he will play. i dont think he or bg have ever heard critisim like this maybe they will turn it around.
HEY OTHR STEVE:
DO U WANT 2 KNO TH REAL REASON JOE TRADED CHAUNCEY??
CHAUNCEY’S MOM HAD REALLY BAD CANCER, AND CHAUNCEY WENT 2 JOE AND ASKED HIM 2 TRY 2 GET HIM HOME SO HE COULD B WITH HIS MOM WHEN SHE WENT THROUGH TREATMENT.
THAT SHOWS TH RESPECT JOE HAS 4 CHAUNCEY
Why don’t they call themselves Steve 1 and Steve 2 or something? Seems they both like caps. Or maybe it’s the same person, on meds and off!
Nobody cares, whoever Steve is, he’s entitled to his own opinion.
As for the Joe D’s free agent activities… I think this season will give us many answers…
Can we go back to fight for the playoffs or are we destined to be a lottery team seasons to come…
Offcourse, we desperately need to add a bruiser to this team, the one who can score some in the paint… Without that, we’re doomed.
I AM SICK OF HEARING LEBRON’S NAME!!!!!!
HE THINKS HE’S ALL THAT HAVING HIS OWN 1 HOUR TV SHOW ANOUNCING HIS DESISION!
HE HASN’T EVEN WON A CHAMPIONCHIP!
dude chill.
Lebron is good for the game. How many times have we heard of our favorite sports star caught with prostitutes, guns or drugs.
He’s having a little show to pick his team. It’s honest good fun. Maybe you prefer the whores drugs and guns?
i dont think miami is best for lebron just my opinion
i dont mind the lebron thing its kind of fun and gives me something basketball wise to think about, pretty much anything i want for the pistons seem to be out of reach in one way or another, either its joe d or the “small market” thing or whatever so its kind of fun
i think chicaago is going to turn out pretty good and increase their wins with boozer. i wouldnt want him here but hes interesting in that group.
lebron dwade and chris bosh is just not seem likes its going to fit because the big guys r just weak chris bosh sucks, if it was amare or boozer or something i could see them in the conference finals but i dont think they get out the second round
Sure, Joe Dumars has made some mistakes. Who hasn’t?
I look around at the deals being thrown around:
Joe Johnson at 29 gets 120 million over 6 years. To me, that makes Ben Gordon at 26 getting 55 million over 5 years an absolute steal. Is there THAT big a difference between Gordon and Johnson? Also, we are getting Gordon in what should be the prime of his career. Johnson will still be getting 20 million at the age of 35.
Amir Johnson gets 34 million over 5 years. Is Villanueva worth only 1 million per year more?
If Gordon or Villanueva were free agents this year, they would have EASILY got more. The Knicks would have loved to have a go at Gordon. People want to say the Pistons should have waited and then I see teams that should have been so much more attractive to free agents – NYK, NJN, CHI – and who do they have to show for all the cap space they sacrificed for? Stoudemire? Outlaw? Boozer? I think the Nets and Bulls still have bright futures, but the Knicks have absolutely failed.
Really like the way Joe D has not rushed Bynum with a contract. Means he is not bidding against himself. Teams know that he is a RFA and that he wants to stay with the Pistons. Dumars has said he wants to keep him, so why would they bother tying their money up for seven days for nothing. Joe could have signed Bynum on day one to a 4-5 mil a year deal, but by waiting, could get him for much cheaper if he doesn’t garner any real interest.
Steve = Random
muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaahhhhaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahaahhaah.
cleveland sucks
I’m pumped to see Cleveland get effed over. Bandwagoneers deserve their idol leaving them. Root for the team, sot the 1 superstar.
Now that’s over, the deals will be fast and furious. Can’t wait to see what happens!
@James- thumbs up for Steve=Random. I got quite a laugh!
What does it matter if the Pistons got a few players “on sale” or paid a good price for them when the end result is 27-55 season?
Billups is still playing absolutely great. Not only did we lose an amazing player but the team morale was completely shot. Joe also handled the entire situation with NO class. Hearing the BIllups interview about how he didn’t know what was going on and why Joe and most off the front office where giving him the Cold shoulder on the team buss was just sad.
To all of the sheep out there who were chanting in “Joe We Trust”. Wake the F up. 27-55. Nuff Said.
Most true Pistons fans will admit that the Pistons and Joe Dumars have made some mistakes over the last few years, Steve, but who hasn’t?
The end result of our free agency spending last year was not a 27-55 season, that was the end result of a year full of injuries and the struggles of a new team gelling. We won’t know the end result of the free agency for a few years.
Do we really need to go through the Billups thing again? We weren’t going to win another title with him! They had 4 more goes at it after ’04, but failed. The trade will hopefully turn out to be a win-win – Billups is playing better at the Nuggets than he was in the last year at the Pistons, and the Pistons got a chance to rebuild.
TIME TO MOVE ON GUYS!
I read that article about the trade “through Billups eyes” and I don’t really know how credible it is.
can anyone explain me why Joe D. tries to bring Haywood for de MLE while J. O’Neal has signed for the same ammount of money in Boston?
O’Neal isn’t coming to the D for a chance to loose in the first round – he aint no spring chicken and he has bad knees – he wants a chance for a ring.
Hey Nat,
Where are you?
I was expecting a nice write up for Lebron leaving Cleveland ( There is only one king in palace-BURGER KING).
Anyways, I am smiling at the misery of cavs fans.
I will be even more happy once Miami fails to win a championship this year. Watch out for Bosh being the wekest link as he is the one I expect to get the least amount of touches. If we thought this free agency is a drama, there might be a bigger drama coming up when the three guys start having chemistry issues.
Go Pistons, I miss Michigan….
Fan from Texas.
OK – WTF? How long do we have to wait for Joe to make a trade? We know you can do it Joe – remember when you got Sheed for Canadian tire money? Remember when you pulled that sweet move on MJ that got Rip? Damn Joe! Are you getting old man? Wake your ass up, have a cup of metamucil, surf some internet porn -whatever it takes man. You definitely are half, I mean twice the man (weight) you used to be. We need to package Tay, Rip, some of Mr. D’s windows, a vintage Ben Wallace bobble head, an original Bad Boy T-shirt, Rick Mahorn, Blaha’s toupee, the rights to the “going to work” jingle and one of those Arby’s curly fry coupons that we will never win waiting for a Piston to get a triple double (cheap ass bastards). Put all of that together and we can get someone to get us to the first round. Git er dun Joe!
@ edt – I prefer whores drugs and guns. Just sayin.
Hey. How come edt is the only one with a pic on the whole site?! I want my pic up there too. edt is a smart guy to be sure but does everyone else really not know how he got his pic up there or is it just me? You regulars need to step it up – put your pic up – Junior, James, Lori, Rashit Flawless, Jesse – and when you figure out how to do it – post it. I REALLY want to know what STEVE looks like. No Steve – with your pants up – thank you.
Also – this would be a kick ass contest – who is the first follower of Need4Sheed to be cartooned?!
It was funny watching all those Cleveland fans cry and burn LBJ jerseys.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait to see the Cavs come in last place without their precious ” KING “
still a string bean, but apparently he added ten pounds…
Detroit Pistons Links: Austin Daye is bigger, stronger than last season
joe is waiting to see how the team plays. we never really saw the full potential of the team due to injuries. when we get 15 or 20 games under we will see what we need the most and who is expendable. dont be trigger happy thats how you end up with hedo or j oneil. trades will be pulled off especially after this free agency thing is over and ppl realize they made mistakes. Thats how we got sheed for “tire money”
The Pistons will win 45-55 games next season, there I said it. Lebron is just wack, the Heat will probably win a few rings now, but I just hope they get knocked out this year so I can laugh. In a perfect world they lose next year too. I like how Gilbert called Lebron out even if it’s just out of bitterness. Lebron obviously quit on the team the past two seasons in the playoffs. He wants the rings to fall into his lap easily like his endorsements because he has no heart to back up all that skill. I got more respect for Wade and Bosh than the queen, but just a little. In some strange way I feel for the fans in Cleveland, I didn’t think I would, but it’s like wanting to see some one go down because of their cocky attitude but when they do you just can’t feel the satisfaction. Amare must be feeling kinda dumb right now.
@Steve 116 games lost to injury = 27-55. . . . nuff said.
ya i want my pic up too, EDT how did you do it? oh and i think Steve looks like a giant penis.
I’m something like what you call a purist. I like Joe D’s philosophy of trying to put quality players at every position and building a rock solid TEAM, rather than trying to brown nose super star divas with max contracts. To me a player does not care about winning rings if he’s demanding half of the team’s salary goes to him. It’s funny how Lebron said his move was about winning while if he would’ve resigned with the Cavs for less money they could’ve kept their team in place and brought in yet another star player to an already great team. The Pistons to me had one of the best if not the best championship wins in NBA history. They knocked off a so called dream team in the Lakers, it would be beautiful to see them do it again this time to the super Heat.
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