Antonio in red, white and blue.
Stuckey starting.
Richard Hamilton with 29 points.
A 15 point lead gone to waste.
Amir and Maxiell and Kwame Brown with DNP’s.
A loss to the 3-and-15 Wizards……………….
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i think the problem is simple — start Stuck in place of Ivo. Think: Dyess, Herman, Arron, Max, Amir, etc coming off the bench would be great! Forget cats egos.. Ivo can come off the bench and bring that scoring. I’m a die hard Piston fan! and the hardest thing to watch is how these cats are not playing with passion for the whole game. Thats hard to watch… i can watch a defeat but a defeat with no determination to go HARD is crazy. btw… Joe D and Mike are not the problem! these cats get paid to bring it! it falls on them. btww… damn it was good to see Dyess back on the court.
but If you’re having AI come off the bench why not have Rip come off the bench instead? AI>Rip.
we need instant offense off the bench which is why AI should go to the bench instead of rip. (but no way would Curry have the marbles to bring a $20 million contract off the bench) If you bring RIP off the bench, everyone off the bench has to worry about screens and such, rather than playing their game. AI doesn’t really need his other teammates, they would just need to get open so he can hit them when he needs to.
Amir really needs playing time, he can’t go to the end of the bench. That is another problem with going small, less minutes for your bigs. I hate our perimeter players and there the ones I constantly have to watch play selfish and lazy.
i never called curry an idiot, but when you see your defense waning, yet you give three hard working, distinctively different, defensively gifted player DNP’s, that is just an idiotic decision.
i’m all for giving dyess time, but we have lots more of the season to go. confusing three players that happen to be important pieces, not making the adjustments the game is demanding, losing YET another game to an embarrassingly inferior team, there is no way that this wasn’t a strategic disaster.
rip deserves the starting spot, but ai supposedly can’t (or most probably won’t) play good basketball unless he’s dominating the ball for 41 minutes a game. unless something significant changes this may be very bad. detroit pistons culture is at stake, do we do the right thing and respect rip and move ai to the bench. or do we accept the realities of star system and just let our own personal little diva have it however he wants, just so he can trash us later for not putting him in a better position to win.
ai, be a man, ask to come off the bench. learn to play defense, do a better job of getting the ball to the bigs down low. you’ll win a championship, i swear it.
idk if anybody wrote thise or not but if playoffs started today we would be embarassed by lebron were 7th right now in the standings thats embarassing this team is one of the best in the east not the 7th best
kyle I have to agree with you, there was probably a bunch of better ways to handle the rotation, so okay.
One thing I do like about Curry is that he will get in players faces. The highlight for me last night (other than the Dyess put back dunk) was when AI got trapped in the corner and instead of passing the ball like a smart player would do. He decided to try and dribble out of it and ended up turning the ball over. A timeout was called right after and Michael Curry went right up to AI and called him on it. It was beautiful to watch.
hey ben if you’re not happy with 7th seed, don’t even look at the online power rankings
avery johnson would be perfect,its who i wanted before the season
Curry is costing this team games. plain and simple
Well said shaun , I think avery would be a great match up with the type of player’s we have . It was a horrible descion for the mavs to drop him like that .
You know looking back, I think Joe Dumars shot himself in the foot with the “everyone’s in play” statement. I think making fans think about all the possibilities of who could come was just so tempting to resist, then no one got traded. And instead of bringing in a coach that fans could go ohhh this is interesting, he appoints a coach with 1 year assistant coaching experience with loads of question marks. This was not exactly what you call a “sexy” move to the fans. It wasn’t really intriguing the way it would be if we did get someone like Avery Johnson or another more established coach from somewhere else. From somewhere else is a key phrase I think. I don’t think hiring a guy who was here the year before made people believe he could change things for the better. Fans wanted someone with an outside perspective of the Pistons, not someone who already knew the inner workings. I think those things really led to the dead crowds and waning interest from the fans. It’s not that we didn’t like our guys, we were just like oh same old.
Anyway that’s me getting philosophical on this Michael Curry thing
Stop all this bullshit talk. Switching around the starters or playing more of the bench will make NO difference. We lost Billups and he was the best player we had. Iverson plays no D. You see him not even bother to put a hand up when that guy was dribbling to the hole at the end of the quarter? What a joke.
We were 4-0 with the new coach and without Iverson. Now we almost have a losing record. How dumb can fans be to think this isn’t about losing Billups for iverson?
Curry’s got to go. He’s got the right attitude, but he’s not a head coach, per se. He makes bad subs, he doesn’t recognize opposing coaches’ strategies quickly enough and he certainly doesn’t seem to have any playcalling abilities. Yet here he is trying to blame the Pistons’ struggles all on Joe Dumars. Michael, Joe’s given you a team with a future hall of famer, three NBA champs and a talented young bench. If you can’t win with that, the problem is not with the GM, it’s with the inexperienced rookie coach who seems to have bitten off more than he can chew. Bring on Avery Johnson, Eddie Jordan or Sam Mitchell!
Jason Maxiell is OVERRATED.
He’s all flash. Big deal he gets 1 big slam or 1 big block a game. Where is he on the boards? Our team has lost the rebound war nearly every game this year and ever since we lost Ben we’ve been losing often.
He’s averaging 3.8 rebounds per game this season. That aint going to cut it.
I can rarely watch Pistons games because I live in Virginia. Grew up right outside Detroit though. So it’s hard for me to catch many games and when I do I am stoked about it all day. I get to see national games and games vs. Washington.
I was not only disappointed, but disgusted with the way this game turned out. No words. I observed a few things and thought long and hard about the position we are in now. When Larry Brown first came to Detroit in our first 29 games we were 16-13. They looked sloppy and unorganized. Things started to look up for them though. Needless to say you can’t quite pull the trigger on MC just yet. I think the lineup should be Stuck, Rip, Tay, Kwame/Max, and Sheed. Let Iverson come off the bench. Iverson is an amazing player and I have always thought he was great, but you need to start Rip for a few reasons. 1. Rip is our Captain 2. Rip plays defense 3. Ginobili comes off the bench b/c he plays better off the bench.. You can’t just bump everybody up a position. Just try it. Iverson is easily one of the best players in the league, but he would run better with the bench. It hurts to go through this as a fan, but I think if this team can pull their act together and play hard they can be one of the best. We beat LA, SA, and Cleveland, but got blown out by MIN, and lost to NY, PHI, and WAS? They can’t do that.
You can’t blame Joe D for making the trade. Something needed to be changed and Iverson is a tremendous player. Only time will tell for Motown. I still believe in our squad. They just have to.
Stop making escuses for Dumars. Enough of the cool-aid drinkers with their dumb ass “In Joe We Trust”
Joe single handedly turned this team into shit. Curry was 4-0 with Billups. 7-9 without billups and with Iverson. Get of Dumars balls and wake up to what the problem is.
Curry was 2-0 with Billups. The other 2 we won, but it was without Billups and Iverson.
Who else noticed Curry throwing Walter into the game after he hadn’t played a minute the whole second half to shoot a critical three in the waning moments of the 4th quarter? Reminds me of Mike Dunleavy peeling Steve Novak off the bench to do the same just a week or two ago for the Clippers. Good strategy, coach. Good strategy.
Stop making excuses for Dumars? Oh, I’m sorry. He’s only the best GM in the league, one who assembled a championship team out of spare parts, kept us under the salary cap since he first took the job, built a 50-win team five years in a row and resurrected the entire Pistons franchise. He’s not going to make the right decision all the time, but in the long run he’s going to do what’s best for this team. Even now, we’re not playing well, but the future is brighter than ever with $20 million coming off the books this summer. Get your head out of your ass and recognize the steady hand of a leader when you see one.
Bull shit. Nothing needed to be changed. Pistons fans are just a bunch of spoiled brats. Detroit had the 2nd best record in the NBA last year. We lost to the team with the best record but we took them to 6 games Losing games as close as 102 – 106.
Boston was a great team but so WERE the pistons. Billups played better than anyones vs Boston. Getting rid of him just for “a change” makes no sense. We were damn close yet again but fell short. Tossing out the captain, the best player, the core of the team, a great defender. Makes zero sense. Even if it was all about money and we’ll land some superstar next year. Big whoop. Pistons basketball was never about one superstar and Dumars is a chump for losing site of that. His old ass was kept around and let to stay on the team even with his team had a horrible record and didn’t even get close to the ship again. Dropping billups after his great perfomrance and the teams consitant great record was an IDIOTIC decision.
Fire Dumars.
Dumars aint shit.
The only credit desrved for the Pistons championship should go to Larry Brown. We’re just luck some of his coaching stayed on this team after he left.
Because dip shit dumars fired LB, Hired a joke of a coach in Flip. Let Ben go. Traded Billups. Drafter Darko… Yeah real impressive there Dumars.
Joe also signed Chauncey, traded for Ben, traded for Rip, drafted Tayshaun, Stuckey, Maxiell and Amir.
What do you guys want, for him to get out on the court and play too? We were two games from the Finals last year and you guys are all whining as if we were in the same boat as the Lions.
And just who do you think is going to step in and do a better job than Joe? I reiterate, when you have a team with a superstar hall of famer, three NBA champs and a young talented bench and you can’t win, the problem is with coaching, not with the GM.
97.1 THE TICKET valenti and foster right now has just said an nba insider says there is a strong interest for allen iverson and wants to cut salary..for who? dun dun dun amare stoudemire!!.. i hope this is true if we can toss iverson for stoudemire..x mas present from god himself..but im not gonna get excited.
i wrote 97.1 the ticket thing..since somone jocked my name.
Without chauncey’s leadership……………were nothin
1. A.I’s not the player he used to be.
2. Joe Dumars messed up the pistons
3. without chauncey theres basicly no rip
4. A.I’s not a team player that chauncey was
5. Chauncey beat boston, we didnt(we lost by 20)
6. the nuggets are 2nd in the west while were not where we want to be
7. we are not playing piston basketball
—-if you ask me joe dumars is an Idiot for letting big ben go, chauncey and ai is not going to take us anywhere but bringing us the worst record 1-8
i’m sure were going to make the playoffs but it will result in what happened before………..no ice4dyess!-which by the way he deserves!
How is Joe an “idiot” for letting Ben go? Ben was the product of a system that fit him perfectly, but he was in rapid decline. Anyone who’s watched him play since he’s left the Pistons can tell you that. Was Ben, a guy who shamelessly played no offense, worth his asking price of $60 million? I think not.
Say what you will about the A.I. trade, but the problem is with Curry. He’s trying to keep us playing like the old Chauncey Billups Pistons, even though that’s impossible under Iverson. When you have a superstar, they demand the ball, they demand shots, they demand control. Iverson’s already sacrificed all of those things for this team and people still don’t get it. If we’re going to win, A.I. needs to be the focal point of our offense and until our coach understands that we’re going to keep pissing away games to mediocre teams like we did last night.
After reading some of these comments I have to wonder, “Are these really fans that are commenting here?”. Amir and others didnt play because Curry has to develop the starting lineup. They have to play through tough games. People worried about the beginning of the season, Joe and Curry are worried about the Conference Finals. People actually think in the CF in the 4th quarter of a tight game, they will insert Amir or Kwame Brown? Or if they are down 10-15 points, they are insert these players? NO! You place your bet on your starting lineup to give you the best chance to win. Team chemistry is a must, that’s only developed with playing together.
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Bring in Laimbeer!!!!!!!!!!
I love all this talk about how amazing our bench is. Amir, Maxiel, and Stucky aren’t shit. They’ve shown SOME flashes of potential but they’ve PROVEN nothing. There are countless nba players that never developed into much after showing potential.
Losing ben was a big blow for us. We never returned to the finals after that. Having both Wallaces down low on defense was incredible. We ACTUALLY won the rebound war with ben on our team.
Curry has made 1 good move – put a REAL PG on the floor.
Next step is to realize Iverson and Hamilton cant be on together for the majority of the game. Iverson is a stuck up baby, so Hamilton mu accept to the eastern version of Ginobli.
Trade one of the to many big men we have for a back up PG to stuckey. That way we can play our players where they are best, not where coach envisions them playing. Get some verteran leadership there and Mike James is being traded like a piece of meat, maybe bring him back or let Bynum go as back up for 10-12 mins a game. Regardless stop putting a round peg in a square hole.
This is getting painful.
Why destroy a great season NOW for the unkown potential at “MAYBE” ab etter season in the future. We KNEW we were a GREAT team. If not the best in the NBA close to the best. Throwing that away “because we need a change” or “to sign some unkown free agent” Is a FUCKING DUMB ASS move.
Fire Dumars NOW.
How the hell could you be complaining about losing Ben Wallace? Joe D. would have been an idiot to pay that much for a one sided player. Let’s look at your argument, we never returned to the Finals after losing Ben Wallace. Hmm…..good argument, but he was on the same team that lost to Miami, it’s not like we lost him and all of a sudden we never went to the Finals again.
Now Joe turned this team into shit? Other than having a record of 11-9 I really haven’t noticed a difference. Steve, maybe you could explain it? Because last I checked, it’s still the same team that comes out with a big lead, and blows it. The same team that plays only when they want too, they’re the same inconsistent team. We weren’t going to win with Chauncey anymore, this was the best trade we could have done because we can finally rebuild.
This team sucks flat out.. quit hanging on to 2004.. its dead and so is this team.. joe dumbass cant draft and ruined a good team.. o well.. LETS GO RED WINGS!
WHO WANTS JEFF VAN GUNDY???? itll be a huge loss for espn. but hey. he did great in houston, nd im sure hell do good here too
this is so retraded to all u guys
1. fire coach curry that dummy doesnt know anything
2. joe d ur an idiot for trading chauncey for AI
3. denver is doing so good billups made them good
4. hire avery johnson
5. joe d umass is a retarded gm fire him too because we could of got somone better then darko and joe d messed up this francise we had such a good team and he messed it up
6. pistons suck we ned to get better fire CURRY!!!
I understand you guys are all mad and all. But you guys gotta give this lineup change some time. Likes its probably was a while ago when Rip played SF.
Be patient. for another game or so. lol
DETROIT BASKETBALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!
You guys are some haters for real. It’s painful for me to watch them like this, but you guys are tearing apart your players. They have great potential. Give it time. It’s 20 games into the season
did u guys hear? suns and pistons talkin bout tradin iverson and amir for stoudemire??? they say they are in very serious talks!!!!
I doubt Joe would trade Amir.
Where did you hear this? Sounds like a joke to me.
I looked everywhere on the web. Nothing came up. I think this is made up.
doubt it cause we can’t trade AI with another teammate. It’s a lie. If it is straight up AI for Stoudamire and another person if neccessary then it could go through. But even then why would they trade a dominant young big man for AI when they have Steve Nash? Too many holes in this for me to believe unless I hear something credible
After all was said, i think as fans -as we like to describe ourselves as such- we must stop these harsh words and start believe in our team. I hate seeing them lose, i hate seeing these Boston cats trash talk us, i don’t care how bad or unexperienced Michael Curry is, he does has a cast of coaches surrounding and Joe D, there is one thing that should be mentioned, the man is trying and he’s not giving up on the team. I believe -in fact i’d like to believe- that we will learn from this.
See what Eli Zaret has to say on this matter and also what the players have to say:
Iverson is mindful of his role and image through all of this and said after the Washington loss, “I know the bull’s eye’s on me.”
Actually there are a lot of bull’s eyes. When a team is underachieving like they have been, everyone comes into question, from the top down.
Summing it up best perhaps, Wallace says, “We’re playing kinda bad and our fans are not used to seeing us play this way, to be barely over .500 this early in the season. We have to pick up on it to be there in June. The guys in here are still hungry and we’ll get it done. It’s 20 games into the season with 60 some to play and we gotta correct it and I think we will.”
Tough, tough loss.
The new lineup looked good at first, but I noticed on 3-4 straight possessions in the first quarter that AI didn’t even touch the ball. Gotta move him to the bench. He’s be so much better there. His shots got to start dropping too…only 38% shooting?
pistons organization always know exactly what to say to the media, the problem is they never fix the problems they identify
no one really touched the ball other than sheed
The only trade that would work is AI for Amare and 1 of these three players
Goran Dragic
Grant Hill
Robin Lopez
They spent a fortune getting Dragic out of his contract
You really think Grant Hill and Amare for AI would happen?
And no way would they give two bigs for one small in Amare and Robin Lopez
We’re not going to get Amare, don’t listen to Mike Valenti. To prove it, the Suns just traded away Bell and Diaw for Jason Richardson. Now why would they trade their star PF for yet another guard.
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